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Post by Seaboots on Dec 13, 2021 17:45:34 GMT 1
Labour are nudging ahead in the UK opinion polls which isn’t surprising when you see how Boris and his cronies continue to dig their own graves. Tomorrow is a Commons vote to push through the Plan B Bill. Sixty or so Tory MPs will vote against the government but crucially the Labour MPs will vote with the government to get the Bill through. Labour have the perfect opportunity to see the govt defeated but has quite cleverly decided to side with Boris on this one. For me this is a master stroke as Labour who have continually pushed for some restrictions and see this as a way to further improve their position with the electorate. Maybe Sir KS is getting the hang of this opposition lark ?
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Post by tim17 on Dec 13, 2021 18:14:25 GMT 1
It's not that simple as there will be at least three votes, only the vote on vaccine passports will provoke any opposition from Tory MP's and that's the one that the government need some Labour support to get it through. Starmer was against any form of passport until recently but has now changed his mind which is fortunate for the government.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2021 19:05:21 GMT 1
Clever tactics ❌ Or what? ✔ Plan B was drawn up months ago. They've had months to organise it. They gave the NHS 4 hours warning that they'd need to do 1 million tests a day, the booking website crashed because it wasn't designed for that capacity and the country ran out of lateral flow tests within hours. There are none to be had.
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Post by Seaboots on Dec 13, 2021 19:19:08 GMT 1
Clever tactics ❌ Or what? ✔ Plan B was drawn up months ago. They've had months to organise it. They gave the NHS 4 hours warning that they'd need to do 1 million tests a day, the booking website crashed because it wasn't designed for that capacity and the country ran out of lateral flow tests within hours. There are none to be had. Do you think the opposition are right in supporting the government ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2021 21:55:42 GMT 1
If the Government follows the scientific advice then I'd think it outrageous that anyone would oppose it. Sadly many more thousands have died than might have, had the scientific advice been followed and the point scoring and popularism put to the side.
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Post by ForumUser2 on Dec 13, 2021 22:46:48 GMT 1
On the one hand you have the scientific advice on reducing transmission and minimising morbidity and mortality. All very important.
On the other hand you have to try to maintain the fabric of commerce and society generally. Again, all very important.
On the third hand you have Boris Johnson who doesn't give a fuck about anything other than being popular and, especially, holding on to power regardless of the collateral damage.
Seems the third hand wins. So far.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2021 10:34:48 GMT 1
On the third hand you have Boris Johnson who doesn't give a fuck about anything other than being popular and, especially, holding on to power regardless of the collateral damage. Seems the third hand wins. So far.
Maybe I'm cynical, but I interpreted his speech on Sunday as a desperate attempt to regain some semblance of seriousness ahead of this week's North Shropshire by-election. From reading (some parts of) the Press, it seems that he's being viewed as much a liability as an asset there, which is pretty dire considering what was Paterson's majority.
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Post by plog on Dec 14, 2021 11:11:02 GMT 1
On the third hand you have Boris Johnson who doesn't give a fuck about anything other than being popular and, especially, holding on to power regardless of the collateral damage. Seems the third hand wins. So far.
Maybe I'm cynical, but I interpreted his speech on Sunday as a desperate attempt to regain some semblance of seriousness ahead of this week's North Shropshire by-election……
I think you are spot one with that assessment, Sunday’s speech was basically an attempt to move attention on from party gate, etc…so it was case of the advisors booking a TV slot and telling Boris to go out and saying something positive about just about anything in the hope it would fill air time/print space Monday AM…and it looked like it might have worked if it hadn’t been for the fact that it became clear PDQ the PM had probably over promised. Mind you I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall of many an office around Whitehall and elsewhere when he made his speech… I suspect “he promised what!!!! was heard in a few places…
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Post by Aardvark on Dec 14, 2021 12:03:49 GMT 1
Another catastrophic fail that will divert attention froml the last one. This is how it seems to work these days. Barnard Castle seems to be a mere distant memory now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2021 12:15:30 GMT 1
Notwithstanding everything else that has gone on under this PM, this cabinet and this government, anyone who has witnessed any of Moggs performances this week, inside and outside of Parliament, and still considering casting a vote for the Conservatives needs serious time on a psychiatrists couch. He's mocking the electorate. He has gotten to a position where he thinks he can say and do anything with impunity. The hardship and misery being endured by huge numbers of people means nothing to him other than fodder for his perverse sense of humour.
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Post by Aardvark on Dec 14, 2021 19:41:10 GMT 1
After what Boris and his henchmen have been getting away with recently they all must think they can walk on water. If they played those games in the US they would be dodging bullets by now.
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Post by ForumUser2 on Dec 14, 2021 20:37:08 GMT 1
His, own backbenchers have given him a bloody nose in the House tonight.
Dead man walking.
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Post by Aardvark on Dec 15, 2021 10:53:26 GMT 1
If only.
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Post by exile on Dec 15, 2021 12:38:12 GMT 1
Be careful what you wish for.
Rishi Sunak 13/5 - pension snatcher
Liz Truss 5/1 - Queen of cheese
Michael Gove 15/2 - everyone likes Coke for Christmas. I like it all year round.
Jeremy Hunt 11/1 - with an unfortunate rhyme to his surname.
Sajid Javid 19/1 - Secretary for health and social (I don't) care
Tom Tugendhat 22/1 - a good chap = no chance
Ben Wallace 23/1 - who?
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Post by ForumUser2 on Dec 15, 2021 12:57:50 GMT 1
After the last election I'd put fifty quid on Ronald Mcdonald.
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