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Post by traveller on Dec 15, 2021 23:18:33 GMT 1
Looking at the numbers of people admitted to hospital(Chris Witty at press conference today) who have not been vaccinated some by choice, I don’t include those who for health reasons can’t accept it, should it now be made compulsory to protect health professionals and services.
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Post by woolybanana on Dec 15, 2021 23:24:33 GMT 1
Yes.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2021 23:29:14 GMT 1
Yes unless there are very very good reasons not to
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2021 23:36:15 GMT 1
However we'll intentioned, that's a slippery slope in a country where civil rights are being diminished as we speak.
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Post by exile on Dec 16, 2021 0:13:30 GMT 1
But aren't those civil liberties being eroded in part because of the anti-vaxxers? My liberty seems to be more important than the liberty of society as a whole.
Should we have enforced vaccination? I don't think we are there yet but screw all of the freedoms out of those who wilfully will not be vaccinated. You cannot use public transport - so that the rest of us can. You cannot go shopping - so that the rest of us can. You cannot leave your home - so that the rest of us can.
Vaccination does not proffer 100% protection but triple vaccination is stated as reducing your chances of catching (and so transmitting) the virus by 70%. i am happy to go for a 70% improvement in the chances of someone giving me the virus.
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Post by ForumUser2 on Dec 16, 2021 8:09:13 GMT 1
No problem with compulsory vaccination for health care workers. HepB vaccination has been compulsory for HCWs since I started in the late 70s and that has never been an issue.
As for national compulsory vax? No, not compulsory but required to use public facilities - transport, hospitality, shops etc. That gives the refuseniks the option to remain stupid but protects the bulk of the population from the results of that stupidity.
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Post by landmannnn on Dec 16, 2021 10:23:36 GMT 1
Smallpox vaccinations were made compulsory (in the UK at least) in 1853.
This dramatically reduced the small pox pandemic, less so in Europe where they were hit harder.
So this is not a new thing, not a Nazi thing either.
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Post by Aardvark on Dec 16, 2021 11:13:22 GMT 1
Quite a lot of things in life are compulsory but nobody whines about their freedoms being suppressed. Many of them are to do with the public good, health, safety etc. Why is this one that has worldwide potential as an extinction event meeting so much resistance?
My old friend in UK used to say, "Be careful. You're a long time dead."
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Post by hal on Dec 16, 2021 11:24:56 GMT 1
I love it when it is announced that an anti-vaxer goes toes up. Trouble is, it does not seem to deter the rest of their breed to continue their nonsense!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2021 11:37:28 GMT 1
Reasonable comments being made but I'll reiterate my point about human rights being diminished under this government. I am totally for vaccination and other strict measures to combat the spread of the Covid 19 virus and it's variants. I don't trust the current regime in Westminster however not to abuse or make permanent temporary measures to control the population. A reduction in human rights was at the core of the Brexit campaign because it was perceived as protection only for hook handed cat owners and the like. Human rights are there for all of us and certain regimes don't like that, including the one fronted by Boris Johnson.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2021 11:42:01 GMT 1
What about people’s human rights not to be infected?
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Post by exile on Dec 16, 2021 11:44:03 GMT 1
hvm,
I had read your earlier post to suggest that the French government were guilty of restricting human rights (which they are) but I agree that the UK is a lot worse in a much broader way. However I continue to make my point that the demands for MY freedom and rights has to be subservient to the rights and freedoms of the population at large. The whole legal code in both countries revolves around that. You cannot steal or break the speed limit without repercussions. Those actions are bad for society as a whole and society is protected by laws. Except by extent is refusal to vaccinate any different?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2021 12:17:45 GMT 1
I'll say again. I support vaccination and other measures to combat Covid 19. Those who oppose them should be ostracised. My point is about a regime such as Johnson's granting itself draconian powers which it will not easily give up. If you trust them, carry on. I don't. They've amply demonstrated that they are not to be trusted.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2021 12:26:44 GMT 1
But this thread is about compulsory vaccines, not the (lack of )integrity/ morality of the government, too many good things are lost because people choose to take a pop at BoJo and not discuss the topic of the thread
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2021 12:31:49 GMT 1
If not the government, who will make them compulsory?
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