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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 11:43:29 GMT 1
313 deaths that’s a very bad cold
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Post by lurcher on Jan 10, 2022 10:10:04 GMT 1
Apparently a meeting on Wednesday 12th where they are expected to announce that UK tourists will be allowed to go to France. We need the change. The ski slopes need the Brits. Macron needs the votes. I have not come across this proposed meeting and it’s outcome. Let’s hope it comes out in our favour.
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Post by annabellespapa on Jan 10, 2022 10:20:27 GMT 1
Just saw a photo from a New Year's eve party at a friends house in Brittany, people we know were there, British, they had travelled to France on Christmas Eve via Eurotunnel, they had been skiing (I think in France) for a week with their 15 year old daughter and her friend and had diverted their journey to Brittany for New Year and then back to the Eurotunnel.
I am amazed, that they bent the rules to suit their needs, the mother is a head mistress at a private school, he is a retired head teacher and policeman.
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Post by hal on Jan 10, 2022 10:58:32 GMT 1
But were the rules rules blatantly broken, or maybe a grey area? What are the details? Eurotunnel obviously let them continue, and arrivals allowed them to continue, so were rules broken or Eurotunnel and France Arrivals at fault?
I mentioned earlier on that twice, my wife - who does not have a TdS but owns half of our house - travelled here 'to join family', fully expecting to be turned back as she is not resident, but waived through by BA and the Authorities at Toulouse on arrival. On one occasion we drove to Spain and returned without any question.
On the one hand she had a valid reason being the joining a family, on the other hand she is not a resident and therefore should not be allowed. A case here of rules either an ass or they cannot be interpreted correctly...
The whole thing is political, a complete nonsense and badly thought out.
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Post by lapourtaider on Jan 10, 2022 11:14:48 GMT 1
Just saw a photo from a New Year's eve party at a friends house in Brittany, people we know were there, British, they had travelled to France on Christmas Eve via Eurotunnel, they had been skiing (I think in France) for a week with their 15 year old daughter and her friend and had diverted their journey to Brittany for New Year and then back to the Eurotunnel. All I can say is from my own experience is that unless they are bona fide residents of France, they wouldn't have succeeded in coming here by Brittany Ferries Portsmouth-Caen
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Post by annabellespapa on Jan 10, 2022 11:33:54 GMT 1
But were the rules rules blatantly broken, or maybe a grey area? What are the details? Eurotunnel obviously let them continue, and arrivals allowed them to continue, so were rules broken or Eurotunnel and France Arrivals at fault? I mentioned earlier on that twice, my wife - who does not have a TdS but owns half of our house - travelled here 'to join family', fully expecting to be turned back as she is not resident, but waived through by BA and the Authorities at Toulouse on arrival. On one occasion we drove to Spain and returned without any question. On the one hand she had a valid reason being the joining a family, on the other hand she is not a resident and therefore should not be allowed. A case here of rules either an ass or they cannot be interpreted correctly... The whole thing is political, a complete nonsense and badly thought out. I don't honestly know Hal, as I understood it, we wouldn't be allowed into France at that time as our 14 year old daughter is only double jabbed, the rules are working as I haven't travelled with my family to France, so others must think like me. I have also found that friends of my daughter have talked of their skiing holidays in France at their holiday homes over the Christmas break when they returned to school last week, with one of them having only been jabbed once. A 'friend' who is quite senior in the NHS, has divulged that her understanding of the latest Omicron variant is that it appears to take 14-15 days after symptoms show (like a sore throat) to produce a negative lateral flow test.
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Post by hal on Jan 10, 2022 11:46:46 GMT 1
Yes, I fear that the rules are made - hastily in most cases - in the knowledge that printed rules will put the majority of people off before they even set off.
In our case, we read the rules, thought they were a tad grey, so set off in the knowledge that we could turned back, and were quite relaxed if this were the case. Walked through and greeted with a smile the other end.
I wonder therefore, and have asked the question, if one can front up knowing full well they are breaking rules no question, get through quite easily. Maybe this is the case with those you know?
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Post by lapourtaider on Jan 10, 2022 12:17:49 GMT 1
I wonder therefore, and have asked the question, if one can front up knowing full well they are breaking rules no question, get through quite easily. The woman in front of me at Caen on the 29/12/21 had a lot of finger wagging from the Douanier and was pulled to one side presumably until everyone else went through. Whether she was eventually let in I couldn't say.
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Post by exile on Jan 10, 2022 12:26:29 GMT 1
A 'friend' who is quite senior in the NHS, has divulged that her understanding of the latest Omicron variant is that it appears to take 14-15 days after symptoms show (like a sore throat) to produce a negative lateral flow test. I think your friend is mistaken in the general case. It may be that on odd occasions that can happen. If it were the norm however, the new English rules that a negative LFT on days 6 and 7 would allow you out of self quarantine would be a nonsense. What is perhaps much more likely is that a PCR test will be positive for up to two weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 12:28:13 GMT 1
Yes PCR can remain positive for quite some time
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Post by annabellespapa on Jan 10, 2022 12:50:15 GMT 1
A 'friend' who is quite senior in the NHS, has divulged that her understanding of the latest Omicron variant is that it appears to take 14-15 days after symptoms show (like a sore throat) to produce a negative lateral flow test. I think your friend is mistaken in the general case. It may be that on odd occasions that can happen. If it were the norm however, the new English rules that a negative LFT on days 6 and 7 would allow you out of self quarantine would be a nonsense. What is perhaps much more likely is that a PCR test will be positive for up to two weeks. I agree Excile, I am only quoting what she has said, it doesn't change our routine in any way but already from the photo of the New Year's eve party in Brittany that 14 people attended that I mentioned, 8 are in bed with terrible colds and still all producing negative lateral flow tests.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 12:54:21 GMT 1
Doesn’t mean they have Covid,bad colds are still possible
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Post by hal on Jan 10, 2022 13:00:52 GMT 1
Yes PCR can remain positive for quite some time Interesting. I am still befuddled in my case and wonder how long one can stay positive. I am pretty healthy. In June we decided to climb to each Cathar citadel (they are all up on hills). No problem doing this. Then start of July, I get bouts of indigestion for no reason and felt groggy. Go to A&E, five hours later I have a stent shoved in! In hospital three days. Felt fine. Had a PCR test a few days later and i was positive. Re-checked with another test, still positive but felt on top of the world. I still question why very suddenly my ticker required intervention, yet a week later I tested positive but without any ill effects whatsoever. The medics just dismiss it and say I am lucky being totaly a-symptomatic. I still ask myself if I had covid all along and it decided to manifest itself in the heart, and the strong antibodies as a result kept me positive.
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Post by JohnnyD on Jan 10, 2022 15:54:05 GMT 1
Well I have pre-empted this meeting on Wednesday and booked a shuttle over for the weekend of the 22 Jan....it can always be changed.........
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Post by exile on Jan 10, 2022 17:17:30 GMT 1
Yes PCR can remain positive for quite some time Interesting. I am still befuddled in my case and wonder how long one can stay positive. I am pretty healthy. In June we decided to climb to each Cathar citadel (they are all up on hills). No problem doing this. Then start of July, I get bouts of indigestion for no reason and felt groggy. Go to A&E, five hours later I have a stent shoved in! In hospital three days. Felt fine. Had a PCR test a few days later and i was positive. Re-checked with another test, still positive but felt on top of the world. I still question why very suddenly my ticker required intervention, yet a week later I tested positive but without any ill effects whatsoever. The medics just dismiss it and say I am lucky being totaly a-symptomatic. I still ask myself if I had covid all along and it decided to manifest itself in the heart, and the strong antibodies as a result kept me positive. A Lateral Flow test checks for active virus so a positive test means that you are almost certainly infective. A PCR test checks for genetic fragments of the virus and can trigger a positive result if there is dead virus in the sample taken. So yes you could well feel on top of the world and still give a positive PCR test. It means you have had it but not necessarily that you have it now - although in most cases to give a positive result you will still have it in the infective stage or very shortly afterwards.
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