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Post by adz8192 on Jan 7, 2022 11:27:39 GMT 1
Hello all I am converting an old atelier/workshop into a large open plan living space. Can anyone tell me what the French equivalent of the English surface mounted double socket shown in the attached image What I am looking for is Big and Chunky use with Monophase All of the French stuff I have found is smaller and more refined or has a flip up lid. Alternatively, can I attach a French face plate to the English back boxes? Thanks in advance Adam 
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Post by Aardvark on Jan 7, 2022 11:47:20 GMT 1
The flip up lids are specialised for outdoor use. Is this what you want, or do you want a normal twin socket for indoor use? I don't think the French use switched sockets. Surface mount twin socket are available but won't take UK style 3-pin plugs. We have a couple of members who are well versed in the French regs that will post to clear things up.
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Post by flober on Jan 7, 2022 11:48:05 GMT 1
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Post by robertarthur on Jan 7, 2022 12:48:46 GMT 1
French face plates, every producer has its own range, only for French back boxes. Sometimes you'll need the retrofit versions, with < griffes>. The flip up lids are useful also for use in a garage or in a industrial environment, where the belt and braces approach reminds us of Paris: the so called < pose façon métro >. Even more safety with the < prrincipe de la goutte d'eau >.
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Post by FFS on Jan 7, 2022 13:07:56 GMT 1
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Post by pcpa on Jan 7, 2022 13:10:29 GMT 1
I think that I understand what you are trying to achieve, you want it to still look industrial after the conversion to habitation, chacun à son gout and it's you that have to live in it, my question is who is the target audience that you want to see the industrial look?
Brits would make the connection but you are in France and French industrial premises dont use metalclad sockets, metal backboxes and metal conduit, they use ones destined for zones humides and plastic conduit.
What you propose were you able to achieve it would look very odd and offputting to any French person and one must always think to when the house may be sold in the future and also you could well end up failing the diagnostique electrical for matériel non conformé.
You could attach a French faceplate to the steel backbox if you find one with the right hole centres, unlikely, you would have more chance getting one with griffes to hold in place (possibly with some packing screwed to the inside of the backbox) but they have not been sold for years and even when they are not bodged they will often fall out when a plug is removed.
I did use the griffes on a French IR controlled lightswitch (bedroom lights switched by the TV remote)in a standard UK galvanised flush pattress years back, ironically it was bought in the UK from CPC and I could not work out why the hole centres were incorrect and what the griffes were for, on moving to France it all fell into place.
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Post by robertarthur on Jan 7, 2022 13:17:02 GMT 1
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Post by pcpa on Jan 7, 2022 13:19:36 GMT 1
The photo that Robert Arthur linked to 'Principe de la goutte d'eau" is exactly what you would see in a factory or industrial premises, plastic conduit must be used but never in conjunction with bends, tees, couplers etc the cable is always exposed where it enters each socket and between lengths of the gaine IRL yet you cannot have a length surface clipped without the protection.
It always looks absurd to me as if the sparky had forgotten his box of fittings and just thought "screw it!", I'm sure the intent was correct when the regs were drawn up but the results are installations that pay lip service but don not have the mechanical protection that they should.
You can get metal cased tableau électriques though.
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Post by Polarengineer on Jan 7, 2022 16:26:37 GMT 1
The photo that Robert Arthur linked to 'Principe de la goutte d'eau" is exactly what you would see in a factory or industrial premises, plastic conduit must be used but never in conjunction with bends, tees, couplers etc the cable is always exposed where it enters each socket and between lengths of the gaine IRL yet you cannot have a length surface clipped without the protection. It always looks absurd to me as if the sparky had forgotten his box of fittings and just thought "screw it!", I'm sure the intent was correct when the regs were drawn up but the results are installations that pay lip service but don not have the mechanical protection that they should. You can get metal cased tableau électriques though.
Sack that electrician. That is really not good work. Bends and tees exist and rubber grommets where IRL enters any box. You should never be able to see the cable.
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Post by pcpa on Jan 7, 2022 16:51:26 GMT 1
I completely agree, I have bought and used all the above and also incorporate gaine ICTA for some transitions.
I can't sack all the electricians though!!!!
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Post by adz8192 on Jan 8, 2022 7:13:43 GMT 1
Thanks Flober exactly what I am looking for - very pricey though!
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Post by lapourtaider on Jan 8, 2022 7:30:01 GMT 1
Thanks Flober exactly what I am looking for - very pricey though! I'm glad someone answered the actual question you asked. I would like to add one more thing.... WELCOME...
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Post by landmannnn on Jan 8, 2022 10:54:20 GMT 1
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Post by pcpa on Jan 8, 2022 11:22:24 GMT 1
Now that I see the English web address and the English books underneath I realise that it is an English product.
Schoko sockets are not compatible with French 16A 3P+T plugs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 11:35:08 GMT 1
They might be of interest, bricodepot available in white or silver simple to fit.  
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