JohnnyD
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Post by JohnnyD on Jan 26, 2022 17:16:08 GMT 1
Can someone tell me why ........
Grooves appear in modern plugs/sockets......see below
Those grooves you can see at the bottom of each prise intelligente? They prevent the insertion of an all round older plug, so i have to use adaptors or change the plug, when and why did they appear?
JD
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Post by lapourtaider on Jan 26, 2022 17:31:26 GMT 1
Good question. They are very prominent in Spain. And my camping car has one. Pain in the 'arris.
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Post by Polarengineer on Jan 26, 2022 17:52:59 GMT 1
You have a shuko socket there, standard in Germany and Holland. Better than the French ones as the plug gets guided in, whereas I fiddle for ages to get the French ones lined up correctly
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JohnnyD
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Post by JohnnyD on Jan 26, 2022 17:59:29 GMT 1
You have a shuko socket there, standard in Germany and Holland. Better than the French ones as the plug gets guided in, whereas I fiddle for ages to get the French ones lined up correctly So is the easiest thing to do to replace all the all round plugs, I looked for those type of plugs in Leclerc today, but they only had round ones with no grooves, even the Legrand ones........ |
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Post by Polarengineer on Jan 26, 2022 18:05:05 GMT 1
I ground two flats on the round plugs that had no earth pin, be careful not to uncover wire connectors. Otherwise, yes, but maybe amazon has the shuko plugs, I doubt you can get them in France.
edit... my signature statement comes to mind again
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Post by Le-Dolly on Jan 26, 2022 18:13:54 GMT 1
You have a shuko socket there, standard in Germany and Holland. Better than the French ones as the plug gets guided in, whereas I fiddle for ages to get the French ones lined up correctly So is the easiest thing to do to replace all the all round plugs, I looked for those type of plugs in Leclerc today, but they only had round ones with no grooves, even the Legrand ones........ You could do...........but then you will have a lot of non standard plugs. Change your 'intelligent' socket adaptors to French ones, all the major marques supply them. @polarengineer with modern and up to date French sockets the phase and neutre are inserted first, followed by the terre into a face that is flush to the front of the socket. Far easier
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Post by pcpa on Jan 26, 2022 18:35:54 GMT 1
I have not seen those but it makes sense to me that the raised bosses (they are not grooves)are there for your safety, to prevent you fitting a French 3 pole plug which would not make the earth contact.
In that respect I would strongly advise against grinding a flat on any French 3 pole plugs to allow them to enter the puit. 2 pole 6amp French plugs (no earth terminal) are fine to use in those sockets.
Some appliances like my coffee maker have plugs which are compatible with both French and Schuko sockets perhaps they are available in France, otherwise you should buy French prises intelligentes.
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Post by pcpa on Jan 26, 2022 18:38:47 GMT 1
with modern and up to date French sockets the phase and neutre are inserted first, followed by the terre into a face that is flush to the front of the socket.I thought that all French sockets had to be recessed with un puit? That was one of the non conformités listed on the diagnostique électrique of the property I am buying, every single item on the checklist was a non conformité or dangereuse! |
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Post by JohnnyD on Jan 26, 2022 20:47:33 GMT 1
Is fitting a Shuko plug on a device illegal in France ?
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Post by Le-Dolly on Jan 26, 2022 21:47:00 GMT 1
with modern and up to date French sockets the phase and neutre are inserted first, followed by the terre into a face that is flush to the front of the socket.I thought that all French sockets had to be recessed with un puit? That was one of the non conformités listed on the diagnostique électrique of the property I am buying, every single item on the checklist was a non conformité or dangereuse! Perhaps I did not describe the newer French sockets well enough. When one inserts the P&N pins in the socket the face of the socket retracts to form un puit therefore they become conformité. |
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Post by pcpa on Jan 26, 2022 23:11:52 GMT 1
Thats clever - new fangled!
(Has to be said with a from the hills Welsh voice)
Rather defeats the idea of a puit though in that it is to prevent someone touching the phase pin while it is being inserted.
OTOH they wont fill up with dust imploring you to clean them with a damp cloth!!
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Post by pcpa on Jan 26, 2022 23:19:53 GMT 1
Is fitting a Shuko plug on a device illegal in France ? I don't know about legal but if they are the type with a grounding hole as well as the side contacts like the one on my coffee maker then they will be safe. |
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Post by Polarengineer on Jan 27, 2022 10:31:07 GMT 1
The "newer" socket shown by le-Dolly is another step to disaster. It will have a spring in there to return the plate when the plug is withdrawn- a weak point. Dust and the usual junk will interfere with the plate sliding.get the plug crooked and it will be the same fumbling as the current sockets. Again my signature statement comes into full effect.
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Post by elsie on Jan 27, 2022 10:39:19 GMT 1
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Post by Le-Dolly on Jan 27, 2022 11:06:47 GMT 1
The "newer" socket shown by le-Dolly is another step to disaster. It will have a spring in there to return the plate when the plug is withdrawn- a weak point. Dust and the usual junk will interfere with the plate sliding.get the plug crooked and it will be the same fumbling as the current sockets. Again my signature statement comes into full effect. Maybe you are prepared to believe everything you say in your post, but perhaps our experience will put you mind at ease. We have been fitting these newer, as you call them, sockets since their launch over six years ago, not one fail in well in excess of over 2 thousand installs. True, there is a spring involved, but that is true for most legal sockets, French, UK, German and others, and it is a potential fail point as it is with the vast majority of legal sockets. Dust "and the usual junk", whatever that is, cannot enter the mechanism because the front of the socket is flush to the front plate. It is not possible to enter a plug "crooked" because the twin pin entry system avoids that possibility. Finally, the majority of plugs remain in their assigned socket and are very rarely removed, but then there are those types that insist on removing every plug in the house, every night, before they go to bed, their failure rates will be greatly increased. |
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