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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2022 21:37:14 GMT 1
This morning we borrowed a trailer from a man who is starting to forget things. He put his had out to shake mine so I shook his hand later we met a car dealer from Paris collecting a couple of cars from a dump of a car workshop. He had no mask on so I did not bother putting mine on. I have not even been inside a cafe since the start of covid. Are people starting to get lax? .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2022 21:43:05 GMT 1
No the ends not in sight yes people are starting to get lax
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Post by plog on Feb 4, 2022 21:53:46 GMT 1
No the ends not in sight yes people are starting to get lax Yep agreed, it’s still out there. Last two years I’ve been through various hospital appointments (a few consultations, couple of CT scans and a colonoscopy as day patient) unscathed, no re-programmming….everything gone like clockwork and on schedule… Wednesday had the dreaded phone call saying that my final, final bit of patching/tidying up, an inpatient (elective) procedure due this coming Monday has been cancelled, due to, according the the very apologetic secretary… “Covid….partout….”.
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Post by Aardvark on Feb 4, 2022 21:56:12 GMT 1
The end has indeed come for 132,207 people in France by the latest Worldometer listing today.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2022 21:59:26 GMT 1
The UK is talking about a new wave and this new variant is throughout the world already. Not sure we will lock down again but covid is not anywhere near finished.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2022 22:00:15 GMT 1
The end has indeed come for 132,207 people in France by the latest Worldometer listing today. That's high
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Post by lindalovely on Feb 5, 2022 11:43:39 GMT 1
Covid will be with us forever. The question is can we find a way to live with it? It will still kill people, but hopefully not so many..there will probably still be a need for vaccinations at least for those that currently get the flu vaccination. But can people be expected to shut themselves away from others indefinately? I don't think that is viable at all, and even in New Zealand they are slowly reopening and accepting some level of infection.
Holiday accommodations are reporting record bookings this year, the ski resorts are packed. We went to a restaurant last week that was busy..passe sanitaire obligatoire but still very busy... and everyone following the rules re masks etc.
I guess it's up to everyone what they feel comfortable with. I go to restaurants, wear masks in indoor areas (they are no longer obligatory outdoors from next week) and if going on public transport I have some FFP2 masks I can wear..but I am not prepared to put life on a hold any longer.
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Post by Nifty on Feb 5, 2022 12:12:17 GMT 1
‘ Holiday accommodations are reporting record bookings this year, the ski resorts are packed. We went to a restaurant last week that was busy..passe sanitaire obligatoire but still very busy... and everyone following the rules re masks etc. ‘
Tell that to the 40 + staff that a relation of mine has had to lay-off, or fire because of lack of bookings.
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Post by plog on Feb 5, 2022 12:25:43 GMT 1
FWIW with reference to my hospital story upthread according to the (just delivered) local paper last week the Ariege had the highest number of hospital admissions due Covid it has had since the pandemic began….hopefully that’s a short term local issue.
I agree that generally society and business has got to learn to function with or around the disease.
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Post by exile on Feb 5, 2022 14:02:42 GMT 1
lindalovely I have agreed with your post. The question is, if we are killing over 200 people per day (so 80,000 per year), is now the right time to be relaxing? Everyone will indeed make their own decision on that one but to the headline question, the answer must surely be no, far from it.
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Post by tim17 on Feb 5, 2022 15:13:35 GMT 1
What would be interesting and enlightening is if the numbers of unvaccinated Covid deaths were published, that might be a good indicator of how safe it is to open up fully.
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Post by pcpa on Feb 5, 2022 17:15:17 GMT 1
Dieing from or dieing with?
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Post by exile on Feb 5, 2022 17:53:25 GMT 1
Dieing from or dieing with? That silly distraction again? People do not die from Covid. People do not die from Flu. People do not die from car accidents. They die from the consequences of these things. Sorry if that sounds a bit blunt pcpa but I have heard that so many times in the last 2 years as an excuse to pretend that Covid is not a problem.
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Post by exile on Feb 5, 2022 20:53:12 GMT 1
Dieing from or dieing with? That silly distraction again? People do not die from Covid. People do not die from Flu. People do not die from car accidents. They die from the consequences of these things. Sorry if that sounds a bit blunt pcpa but I have heard that so many times in the last 2 years as an excuse to pretend that Covid is not a problem. I know it's bad form to quote yourself but to put some meat onto what might (rightly) be considered a rant. All sorts of people catch covid. Some will outwardly be fit and healthy, others will have significant pre-diagnosed major health problems. So let's take someone with COPD in an advanced state. Say they are expected to live a couple of months. If they contract covid and die, do we count them as a covid death? They would have died anyway ( but beware, we are all going to die anyway) is a good get out of jail free card. So what if their projected life expectancy was 6 months or 12 months or 2 years? Where are we ( actually those responsible) going to draw the line? Personal view is that if covid has reduced their their life expectancy then it is at least contributory and therefore should be included in the stats. There is an intrinsic problem in calculating covid deaths since as stated people do not die from covid but rather as a consequence. Here we see differences in approach. The UK says that anyone who dies within 28 days of a positive Covid test is deemed as having died as a result of covid. Clearly this might include some people who die form other things but consider that one long covid symptom is confusion would it be wrong to assume that someone who stepped in front of a bus was not impacted by covid? On the other hand, the French only consider those cases who have died in hospital but exclude those who die at home. Neither system is perfect. Both are prone to error at the individual case level. But if the error were even 10% we woud be talking of 72000 deaths instead of 80k. Of course the error could be the other way and be 88000 deaths. It is not precise, it is far from perfect, it is far too high.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2022 22:00:52 GMT 1
For each one who dies within 28 days with a positive test but maybe not directly of Covid it will be balanced by someone who died more of Covid but lived beyond 28 days
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