JohnnyD
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Post by JohnnyD on Feb 9, 2022 17:49:52 GMT 1
Not the weather kind, but the cleaning kind.......
We are having a new bath tub in the new bathroom, so getting rid of the old bath in what will become the shower room.......
French showers, do they work off just the mains pressure if we have the Franco Belge Optima 3000 combui boiler, or is the French way to have a pump with electrics? Its not something I know much about as the shower at home just runs off mains pressure/combi
What are the main gotcha's with electric pump?
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Post by suein56 on Feb 9, 2022 17:56:41 GMT 1
Our two showers .. one up, one down, work with mains pressure water from the chauffe-eau. No pump involved. As the c-e is downstairs the shower in the bathroom upstairs is feebler than the shower in the shower room downstairs. Even so my OH loves the rain effect of the shower head upstairs. I prefer the stronger, more powerful normal effect shower downstairs .. so we're both happy 😊.
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Post by pcpa on Feb 9, 2022 18:12:52 GMT 1
All domestic hot water systems in France should be closed mains pressurised be they ballons or combi boilers, both types give balanced hot & cold water to the shower at mains pressure.
There has never been a need for shower pumps unless a P&O builder/renovator has fitted a UK header tank type hot water system.
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Post by ibis on Feb 9, 2022 18:15:47 GMT 1
I prefer the stronger, more powerful normal effect shower downstairs .. so we're both happy 😊. Could this be a female thing as to why you like the more powerful shower head? Sort of like an electric toothbrush...
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Post by pcpa on Feb 9, 2022 18:22:06 GMT 1
Our two showers .. one up, one down, work with mains pressure water from the chauffe-eau. No pump involved. As the c-e is downstairs the shower in the bathroom upstairs is feebler than the shower in the shower room downstairs. The pressure and flow from your upstairs or downstairs showers are not related to the position of your ballon whether it be on the ground floor, first floor, loft or cellar, they are both at mains pressure which will be for example nominally 2.0 bar at the foot of the building and the pressure will drop 1 bar for every 10m of elevation. Your first floor shower will have a pressure 1/4 of a bar less than the ground floor one, unless you have low mains pressure to the house its doubtfull that you would notice the difference in flow, its more likely that the pipework is undersized and restrictive with many elbows etc or simply the mixer or shower head is partially blocked with calcaire. I still laugh when I see the self proclaimed Engineer Straw Dickbridge huffing and puffing carrying a pressurised ballon d'eau chaude up 4 levels to the grenier of their Chateau when it would have worked just as well if not better in the sous sol where they could have wheeled it straight in from the van.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2022 18:26:19 GMT 1
All domestic hot water systems in France should be closed mains pressurised be they ballons or combi boilers, both types give balanced hot & cold water to the shower at mains pressure. There has never been a need for shower pumps unless a P&O builder/renovator has fitted a UK header tank type hot water system. My good man they are available in France although never fitted one. Most of the big stores have them. We prefer The suein56 type. www.manomano.fr/catalogue/p/triton-t80gsi-douche-electrique-sfx8009gsi-42404442
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JohnnyD
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Post by JohnnyD on Feb 9, 2022 18:28:04 GMT 1
All domestic hot water systems in France should be closed mains pressurised be they ballons or combi boilers, both types give balanced hot & cold water to the shower at mains pressure. There has never been a need for shower pumps unless a P&O builder/renovator has fitted a UK header tank type hot water system. Our combi boiler also has a tank for storing hot water, do those same rules still apply?
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Le-Dolly
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Post by Le-Dolly on Feb 9, 2022 18:46:39 GMT 1
JD, when choosing a thermostatic shower mixer, be aware that some work from chauffe eau's, some work from combi's and some will work from both. Choose wisely.
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Post by robertarthur on Feb 9, 2022 19:32:22 GMT 1
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JohnnyD
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Post by JohnnyD on Feb 9, 2022 21:12:20 GMT 1
Would something like this suffice Robert?
Not quite sure what all the different models are or how you set the pressure?
Ahh size of pipe maybe?
But how to adjust the pressure?
Ah ...Allen key adjustment, so you need to buy a gauge as well
LoL
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Post by robertarthur on Feb 9, 2022 21:26:56 GMT 1
JohnnyD, every Bricomarché, Leroymerlin etc. has several models. Your amazon example is one of the many models available. Before buying you should know if your water pressure is really (much) higher than the 3 Bar level. If the local water tower is on a high hilltop nearby and you live down in the valley, you can sometimes encounter pressures up to 7 or 8 Bar. When you close a tap and hear a knocking sound you probably have a rather high water pressure. More about water hammer.
Water hammer problems, also helpful: this one, from Flamco. And a French name for it, see this package.
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JohnnyD
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Post by JohnnyD on Feb 9, 2022 21:35:20 GMT 1
Tap turning on and off is OK if you are gentle, but the dishwasher which I presume has a much more aggresive on/off valve produces many multiple bangs in the system, so i am assuming the pressure is quite high?
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Post by robertarthur on Feb 9, 2022 21:40:46 GMT 1
JohnnyD, that's why I already made some PR for Flamco......Your on/off valves will suffer, they are not going to last very long, expensive. Trust your ears and ask your neighbours if they have installed a régulateur de pression. If so, buy one. Safety first, also additional Flamcos here, this one for our washing machine. Measuring water pressure, not difficult, not expensive, see these quality Rothenberger tools.
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Post by landmannnn on Feb 9, 2022 22:34:34 GMT 1
Just to throw in a small spanner, my water pressure in the UK (Midlands) is 4 bar, in France (87) it is 3.5 bar. So not always the case that the water pressure is higher in France.
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Post by Dominic Best on Feb 9, 2022 23:19:33 GMT 1
Just to throw in a small spanner, my water pressure in the UK (Midlands) is 4 bar, in France (87) it is 3.5 bar. So not always the case that the water pressure is higher in France. But what is the pressure of the hot water system in the Midlands? It’s also pointing out that the figures given are the regulated pressure in the house not the potential maximum coming through the mains.
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