|
|
Post by ForumUser2 on Mar 18, 2022 10:05:15 GMT 1
Relative risk is always changing that's why it's irrelevant. The absolute risk hasn't changed, the average age of death is still in the 80's most people who have succumbed have been in poor health. End of. You sound like a salesman from a pharmaceutical company, oh hang on maybe old habits die hard. I'm not sure about 'if I'm wrong it's for the right reasons ' I'm hoping your pensions are tied to some pharma shares. I see that not having a clue what you're talking about isn't acting as a brake on your nonsense. Why not crawl back into your cave with the other troll? |
|
|
|
Post by landmannnn on Mar 18, 2022 10:23:06 GMT 1
There's little point in trying to convince the anti-vaccers that they are wrong.
These people love Farage, Trump, Putin, The Sun newspaper, Brexit, Johnson and have no consideration for anyone else on the planet.
|
|
|
|
Post by triumphant on Mar 18, 2022 10:32:13 GMT 1
There's little point in trying to convince the anti-vaccers that they are wrong. These people love Farage, Trump, Putin, The Sun newspaper, Brexit, Johnson and have no consideration for anyone else on the planet. OMG here we go, anti-vaxer, Brexit, etc etc. What about conspiracy theory, flat earther, Putin apologist and any more you can dig up. |
|
|
|
Post by triumphant on Mar 18, 2022 10:33:10 GMT 1
Relative risk is always changing that's why it's irrelevant. The absolute risk hasn't changed, the average age of death is still in the 80's most people who have succumbed have been in poor health. End of. You sound like a salesman from a pharmaceutical company, oh hang on maybe old habits die hard. I'm not sure about 'if I'm wrong it's for the right reasons ' I'm hoping your pensions are tied to some pharma shares. I see that not having a clue what you're talking about isn't acting as a brake on your nonsense. Why not crawl back into your cave with the other troll? Good answer. |
|
|
|
Post by landmannnn on Mar 18, 2022 11:14:54 GMT 1
There's little point in trying to convince the anti-vaccers that they are wrong. These people love Farage, Trump, Putin, The Sun newspaper, Brexit, Johnson and have no consideration for anyone else on the planet. OMG here we go, anti-vaxer, Brexit, etc etc. What about conspiracy theory, flat earther, Putin apologist and any more you can dig up. My point exactly. |
|
|
|
Post by ForumUser2 on Mar 18, 2022 11:44:08 GMT 1
I've changed my mind due to the persuasive arguments of our troll. Rather than rely on prejudiced rags such as the BMJ, NEMJ etc I think it wiser to have my opinions formed by whackonutjobs.com where the real experts are to be found.
An epiphany.
|
|
|
|
Post by pcpa on Mar 18, 2022 11:51:01 GMT 1
There's little point in trying to convince the anti-vaccers that they are wrong. These people love Farage, Trump, Putin, The Sun newspaper, Brexit, Johnson and have no consideration for anyone else on the planet. Why try to convince anybody that they are wrong?
Why not respect someones choice to be vaccinated or not be vaccinated?
Why not respect someones choice to wear a mask or not now that there are no restrictions?
Why not respect someones choice to stay away from crowded public areas because they feel uncomfortable?
None of these things are deserved of being labelled an anti-vaccer or the other insults that follow.
This subject has inflamed some festering wounds, many parallels with Brexit, intolerance, division and a refusal to accept the direction in which their world is evolving.
It will not be in the direction that everyone would prefer but moving forward it is.
|
|
|
|
Post by ForumUser2 on Mar 18, 2022 12:37:57 GMT 1
Why try to convince anybody that they are wrong?
Why not respect someones choice to be vaccinated or not be vaccinated? I'll tell you why. The proportion of ITU and inpatient medical beds occupied by Covid patients that are unvaccinated increases as the rate of vaccination increases. The result of that is manifold and includes, but is not limited to: reduced capacity in other disciplines eg cancer, cardiovascular etc; staff working longer more challenging hours; knock-on resource diminishment in the Health Service; collateral mortality and morbidity in a finitely resourced service; prolonged care needs due to long Covid. So those that are narcisstic enough to believe they are somehow special and exempt from a duty of care to their fellow citizens by being one of a pool of people adding unnecessarily to the Health burden are indirectly harming others. Beneath contempt. |
|
|
|
Post by pcpa on Mar 18, 2022 13:05:53 GMT 1
The proportion of ITU and inpatient medical beds occupied by Covid patients that are unvaccinated increases as the rate of vaccination increases. Mathematically correct but you conveniently ignore that the numbers of Covid patients occupying ITU and inpatient beds falls as the rate of vaccination increases. The vast majority of the population are now vaccinated, people have always had the choice of vaccination, regardless of their reasons those that chose not to or those who are vaccinated that choose not to wear a mask now there are zero Covid restrictions do not deserve this sort of venom and hatred. |
|
ibis
Banned Member
Posts: 1,376
|
Post by ibis on Mar 18, 2022 13:33:04 GMT 1
The proportion of ITU and inpatient medical beds occupied by Covid patients that are unvaccinated increases as the rate of vaccination increases. Mathematically correct but you conveniently ignore that the numbers of Covid patients occupying ITU and inpatient beds falls as the rate of vaccination increases. The vast majority of the population are now vaccinated, people have always had the choice of vaccination, regardless of their reasons those that chose not to or those who are vaccinated that choose not to wear a mask now there are zero Covid restrictions do not deserve this sort of venom and hatred. It is the same venom and hatred from the anti smoking & alcohol brigade... |
|
|
|
Post by ForumUser2 on Mar 18, 2022 13:36:54 GMT 1
The proportion of ITU and inpatient medical beds occupied by Covid patients that are unvaccinated increases as the rate of vaccination increases. Mathematically correct but you conveniently ignore that the numbers of Covid patients occupying ITU and inpatient beds falls as the rate of vaccination increases. The vast majority of the population are now vaccinated, people have always had the choice of vaccination, regardless of their reasons those that chose not to or those who are vaccinated that choose not to wear a mask now there are zero Covid restrictions do not deserve this sort of venom and hatred. Your first para is correct. Notwithstanding that, the pressure on the service is still severe, that severity would be reduced hugely were everyone to be fully vaccinated. I worked in A&E for a couple of months at the start of the Pandemic on a locum basis (as did many other qualified retirees) to release others more able to deal with the first wave. So from the hands-on perspective I know whereof I speak. Certainly at the Trust where I worked the Covid admissions are not declining and other services are curtailed. At any one time a proportion of staff are off with symptom-free positive tests. Don't be fooled into thinking things are anywhere near back to normal. It's also worth avoiding serious medical conditions just now - wait until the waiting list reduces! |
|
ibis
Banned Member
Posts: 1,376
|
Post by ibis on Mar 18, 2022 13:45:05 GMT 1
Mathematically correct but you conveniently ignore that the numbers of Covid patients occupying ITU and inpatient beds falls as the rate of vaccination increases. The vast majority of the population are now vaccinated, people have always had the choice of vaccination, regardless of their reasons those that chose not to or those who are vaccinated that choose not to wear a mask now there are zero Covid restrictions do not deserve this sort of venom and hatred. Your first para is correct. Notwithstanding that, the pressure on the service is still severe, that severity would be reduced hugely were everyone to be fully vaccinated. I worked in A&E for a couple of months at the start of the Pandemic on a locum basis (as did many other qualified retirees) to release others more able to deal with the first wave. So from the hands-on perspective I know whereof I speak. Certainly at the Trust where I worked the Covid admissions are not declining and other services are curtailed. At any one time a proportion of staff are off with symptom-free positive tests. Don't be fooled into thinking things are anywhere near back to normal. It's also worth avoiding serious medical conditions just now - wait until the waiting list reduces! That is just a problem with/and or; i guess the NHS (1st world country - 3rd world health care). Other health care services do not have the same/major problems around the world having to call in the out of touch oldies to "help". |
|
exile
Member
Massif Central
Posts: 2,680
|
Post by exile on Mar 18, 2022 14:24:20 GMT 1
|
|
|
|
Post by ForumUser2 on Mar 18, 2022 14:38:23 GMT 1
Your first para is correct. Notwithstanding that, the pressure on the service is still severe, that severity would be reduced hugely were everyone to be fully vaccinated. I worked in A&E for a couple of months at the start of the Pandemic on a locum basis (as did many other qualified retirees) to release others more able to deal with the first wave. So from the hands-on perspective I know whereof I speak. Certainly at the Trust where I worked the Covid admissions are not declining and other services are curtailed. At any one time a proportion of staff are off with symptom-free positive tests. Don't be fooled into thinking things are anywhere near back to normal. It's also worth avoiding serious medical conditions just now - wait until the waiting list reduces! That is just a problem with/and or; i guess the NHS (1st world country - 3rd world health care). Other health care services do not have the same/major problems around the world having to call in the out of touch oldies to "help". You're actually quite wrong (surprised? No I'm not). France Germany, Hong Kong, USA, Italy, just about any 1st world country you care to mention has exceeded its ability to meet need. I'm aware of many international colleagues who returned to some form of clinical practice to boost the extant provisions. The difference is that the UK is in a select group because it was hit so hard so fast. |
|
|
|
Post by pcpa on Mar 18, 2022 14:46:59 GMT 1
Your first para is correct. Notwithstanding that, the pressure on the service is still severe, that severity would be reduced hugely were everyone to be fully vaccinated. I completely agree but its unlikely that they will change their mind by now and the strategy of the UK, France, New Zealand etc recognises that, they will have to get their immunity through infection, they may even die of it, it will sweep through them even quicker through contact with vaccinated non mask wearers like myself. Exile believes that we as a society have a duty to protect them from themselves and to continue with mandatory restrictions, I understand and respect that view but choose to enjoy the liberty that has cost me so dearly, I believe in taking responsability for ones decisions and choices, one of my earliest lessons was "you have made your bed, now you must lie in it" I saw on the news today that one in twenty people in the UK currently have Covid, recently they said that 50% of the UK population had already contracted covid, I think that will likely be higher among the unvaccinated due to them being less likely to adopt the previous mandatory protective measures and avoiding |
|
