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Post by jackie on May 4, 2022 13:02:13 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2022 13:36:38 GMT 1
We always tell people we are from scottyland soon the be indpendant.
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Post by ForumUser2 on May 4, 2022 15:51:47 GMT 1
I didn't used to be until 23 June 2016 when I realised that being British meant defering to the Little Englanders.
Now I'm more than content to exert my right to be Irish.
(Although, being a total hypocrite, I keep my UK passport too. And I'm not really sure why.)
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2022 17:41:48 GMT 1
I didn't used to be until 23 June 2016 when I realised that being British meant defering to the Little Englanders. Now I'm more than content to exert my right to be Irish. (Although, being a total hypocrite, I keep my UK passport too. And I'm not really sure why.) Because you've paid in. There's nothing hypocritical about it. I'll do the same when the day comes.
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Post by tim17 on May 4, 2022 17:54:39 GMT 1
I'm proud to be English and always will be, the researchers asked a massive 1300 people out of 1.5 million living in the EU so can hardly be described as a 'major study' IMO.
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Post by Aardvark on May 4, 2022 18:21:45 GMT 1
I believe if you expand the research to include every Brit expat the percentage would not be significantly different. I don't know anyone personally either side of the Channel that is proud of what UK has become in the eyes of the world. And a great deal of that is down to the foul smelling chancers that are calling themselves a government. 52% of the population back there seem to be happy to separate themselves from their largest trading partner and happy to face Covid, inflation, and the possibility of war in Europe with a load of self-serving toffs at the helm.
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Post by ForumUser2 on May 4, 2022 18:25:54 GMT 1
I'm proud to be English and always will be, the researchers asked a massive 1300 people out of 1.5 million living in the EU so can hardly be described as a 'major study' IMO. You may be proud to be English but that doesn't necessarily make you proud to be British. In the same way that a Scot, Welshman or Ulsterman can be proud of their country but ashamed of the UK.
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Post by exile on May 4, 2022 20:47:08 GMT 1
I'm proud to be English and always will be, the researchers asked a massive 1300 people out of 1.5 million living in the EU so can hardly be described as a 'major study' IMO. 1300 responders, if carefully selected to cover a range of EU residency nations, sex and age of the responder and possibly even social class can easily represent the views of the 1.5 million. The trick, and what can be the most time consuming part of such a survey, is selecting the respondents (1) and what questions to pose to minimise unintended (or intended) bias (2). As such I do see 1300 as being both significant and also a fairly major study if done professionally - which I think this was. (1). There may have been 5 times that many prepared to take part but if 90% were pensioners living in the South of Spain, you would have had a very skewed result which might not have in any way represented younger people. Equally if the study group included a large number of students in North European Universities, you might equally get a very skewed result. So I wonder how they got a balance (if indeed they did) and whether that balance was based on a population as a whole, the population of those British living in the EU, or some other basis. (2) To illustrate how bias can be built into questions consider these three options: Do you think that The Conservatives are currently doing a good job in running the UK? or Given the successes of the Covid vaccination program, the financial help provided to individuals and companies during and after lockdowns, the strong defence of Ukraine, do you think that The Conservatives are currently doing a good job in running the UK? or With the UK having one of the highest death rates from Covid in the world, with the waste of money spent on Covid deals that did not deliver, with Partygate and other scandals and with the woeful delays in offering visas to Ukrainians fleeing the conflict in their country, do you think that The Conservatives are currently doing a good job in running the UK? I have deliberately chosen three extremes to illustrate the point but bias can be much more subtle than that and can be quite unintended perhaps leading the questioned to think, "you know I had never thought of that, but now you mention it.....". Something that was not previously a problem suddenly becomes an issue. FWIW I can identify with the views expressed in the report. The day after the UK left, we had a meeting of the comité des fetes and the mayor came up to me and said that the prefect had instructed her to tell me that I had lost my rights to vote in elections. My response was, "I know. Yesterday I was a European. Today I am just a foreigner."
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Post by houpla on May 5, 2022 5:31:25 GMT 1
Isn't there a simple solution available to anyone who feels embarrassed by their nationality? With the caveat of having lived 'in a stable manner' in France for 5 years, you take French nationality. For those with a lingering vestige of patriotism, you don't even have to renounce your Brit origins, unlike in Spain or the Netherlands.
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Post by rabbit on May 5, 2022 8:13:11 GMT 1
I'm proud to be English and always will be, the researchers asked a massive 1300 people out of 1.5 million living in the EU so can hardly be described as a 'major study' IMO. Statistically 1300 is more than enough to give accurate answers. But a lot depends on what the question was and whether it was a random survey or the respondents were self-selected
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Post by davelister on May 5, 2022 9:22:45 GMT 1
I'm proud to be English and always will be, the researchers asked a massive 1300 people out of 1.5 million living in the EU so can hardly be described as a 'major study' IMO. FWIW I can identify with the views expressed in the report. The day after the UK left, we had a meeting of the comité des fetes and the mayor came up to me and said that the prefect had instructed her to tell me that I had lost my rights to vote in elections. My response was, "I know. Yesterday I was a European. Today I am just a foreigner."
That is so sad. I remember, just after Brexit there were local elections. The mayor sent our local handyman Daniel round with a letter to say I no longer had the right to vote. Daniel was more shocked with it's contents than I was.
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Post by exile on May 5, 2022 9:26:26 GMT 1
Isn't there a simple solution available to anyone who feels embarrassed by their nationality? With the caveat of having lived 'in a stable manner' in France for 5 years, you take French nationality. For those with a lingering vestige of patriotism, you don't even have to renounce your Brit origins, unlike in Spain or the Netherlands. Simple? Not according to those I "know" who have been through the hoops. Protracted. Time consuming. Ever demands for new (and difficult to obtain) information. These are all terms that I have seen used to describe the process. Personally I still don't think my language skills are up to making a valid application. Perversely if I were still living in Germany I am sure I would by now hold German nationality.
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Post by traveller on May 5, 2022 9:27:49 GMT 1
I’m both embarrassed and ashamed to be English. I was going to write more but decided to leave it at that in case I go into a bit of a rant.
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Post by Aardvark on May 5, 2022 10:24:01 GMT 1
It wouldn't make a blind bit of difference if an expat applies for French (or other) nationality. You will still be identified as British, due to your accent/mannerisms/dress sense (or lack of)/which side of the car the steering wheel is located/feeding habits/and which direction his satellite dish is pointed.
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Post by Polarengineer on May 5, 2022 10:27:51 GMT 1
It has been sufficient disappointment and interference with my way of life and social rights for me to abandon the sinking ship and take up a nationallity of a European member land. Bye bye UK, see you when you reapply for EU membership, but you won't like the offer.
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