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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2022 11:07:04 GMT 1
It wouldn't make a blind bit of difference if an expat applies for French (or other) nationality. You will still be identified as British, due to your accent/mannerisms/dress sense (or lack of)/which side of the car the steering wheel is located/feeding habits/and which direction his satellite dish is pointed. I don't think that's the case across the board. I know it's not partly from my own experience and of others around me. I've been told my English is very good, more than once. That suggests I've been mistaken for a non native English speaker, which in reality, I'm not. I had English knocked into me. I've been quizzed about my nationality several times. Irish, Dutch, German, English. I'm none of these and I certainly don't self identify as British. I don't hide my light when someone tries to stick that label on me.
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Post by lindalovely on May 5, 2022 11:13:57 GMT 1
I also share the views of the people in this survey. I also did apply for naturalisation. Unless you are the spouse of someone French it isn't a right so you very much have to show that you understand the French way of life, that you are integrated professionally and/or socially into French culture, that you have adequate resources etc. For us it wasn't that hard. but it would not be an option for everyone.
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Post by houpla on May 5, 2022 19:31:45 GMT 1
Isn't there a simple solution available to anyone who feels embarrassed by their nationality? With the caveat of having lived 'in a stable manner' in France for 5 years, you take French nationality. For those with a lingering vestige of patriotism, you don't even have to renounce your Brit origins, unlike in Spain or the Netherlands. Simple? Not according to those I "know" who have been through the hoops. Protracted. Time consuming. Ever demands for new (and difficult to obtain) information. These are all terms that I have seen used to describe the process. Personally I still don't think my language skills are up to making a valid application. Perversely if I were still living in Germany I am sure I would by now hold German nationality. Well we are talking French bureaucracy It's not taking as long as it did in the 4 years following the Brexit panic. I didn't find it any more time-consuming than getting a Carte Vitale, and a lot less re-sending of paperwork that supposedly wasn't received. The swotting up on French history, geography and culture turned out to be quite interesting. Even if you don't bother, the interlocutor who does the interview is usually quite affable and helpful as long as you've got the basics of the Livret du Citoyen (according to those I '"know" who've done it ). You can do the language exam before applying, that way you know how good you are. Bet you'd be pleasantly surprised
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Post by flober on May 6, 2022 7:23:16 GMT 1
I didn't find the process of naturalisation very difficult,the most time consuming was collecting/finding my parents birth certificates and having them translated and certified ,somewhere in the region of 600€ including the 55€ fee.The language stuff was easier then I had lead myself to believe simple chat while the guy filled out their forms.14 months start to finish
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Post by cernunnos on May 6, 2022 19:35:47 GMT 1
I found it quite simple. It took a while, but the process was easy to follow and anything that was missing in the original " folder" was requested and it was just a matter of sending what was asked for. I have been asked various times if I came from the North of France or Belgium , due to my "Vlemmish" accent. We have never driven a car with the steering on the wrong side and also don't eat fish and chips at the weekend , so don't really stand out from other French nationals !
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Post by ibis on May 6, 2022 19:43:31 GMT 1
I found it quite simple. It took a while, but the process was easy to follow and anything that was missing in the original " folder" was requested and it was just a matter of sending what was asked for. I have been asked various times if I came from the North of France or Belgium , due to my "Vlemmish" accent. We have never driven a car with the steering on the wrong side and also don't eat fish and chips at the weekend , so don't really stand out from other French nationals ! I can certify that.
The French from Belgium (Wallonia) and France are the same in most aspects....
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Post by ForumUser2 on May 6, 2022 19:52:20 GMT 1
I found it quite simple. It took a while, but the process was easy to follow and anything that was missing in the original " folder" was requested and it was just a matter of sending what was asked for. I have been asked various times if I came from the North of France or Belgium , due to my "Vlemmish" accent. We have never driven a car with the steering on the wrong side and also don't eat fish and chips at the weekend , so don't really stand out from other French nationals ! I can certify that.
The French from Belgium (Wallonia) and France are the same in most aspects....
Hell's teeth! You know each and every one of them?
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Post by ibis on May 6, 2022 20:06:17 GMT 1
I can certify that.
The French from Belgium (Wallonia) and France are the same in most aspects....
Hell's teeth! You know each and every one of them? Does that bother you that I have lived in Europe, not just as a tour ass but as an actual resident in many countries here?
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Post by Nifty on May 6, 2022 20:32:37 GMT 1
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Post by cernunnos on May 7, 2022 8:33:57 GMT 1
I don't feel " embarrassed to be British " that was where I was born and raised but feel more European than British and if the politics in the UK change again , I'm sure that the country that is left ( probably England and Wales ) will apply to rejoin the EU.
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Post by cernunnos on May 7, 2022 8:41:48 GMT 1
I found it quite simple. It took a while, but the process was easy to follow and anything that was missing in the original " folder" was requested and it was just a matter of sending what was asked for. I have been asked various times if I came from the North of France or Belgium , due to my "Vlemmish" accent. We have never driven a car with the steering on the wrong side and also don't eat fish and chips at the weekend , so don't really stand out from other French nationals ! I can certify that.
The French from Belgium (Wallonia) and France are the same in most aspects....
France is a large country , there are many and varying types of peoples within it's borders , so those on the edges are more like their neighbours than those in the centre of the country . Classifying " The French" is very difficult because each region has it's own identity and within the French language inhabitants of a certain area call it "mon pays "
Je ne connais pas ce soleil qui brûle les dunes sans fin Je ne connais pas d'autres terres que celle qui m'a tendu la main Et si un jour je pars d'ici, que je traverse le désert Pour aller voir d'où vient ma vie, dans quelle rue jouait mon père Moi qui suis né près de Paris, sous tout ce vent, toute cette pluie Je n'oublierai jamais mon pays, jamais mon pays
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Post by omegal on May 31, 2022 22:30:38 GMT 1
I found it quite simple. It took a while, but the process was easy to follow and anything that was missing in the original " folder" was requested and it was just a matter of sending what was asked for. I have been asked various times if I came from the North of France or Belgium , due to my "Vlemmish" accent. We have never driven a car with the steering on the wrong side and also don't eat fish and chips at the weekend , so don't really stand out from other French nationals ! I can certify that.
The French from Belgium (Wallonia) and France are the same in most aspects....
The Walloons over several years have asked many times to become a department of France.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2022 8:59:31 GMT 1
Being proud to be English isn't something that really resonates with me; equally, I find being ashamed to be English a peculiar concept.
It seems to me the present government don't really seem to be very English - or British, for that matter - because their values are not what I thing of as British values (honesty, decency, fairness, welcome the foreigner, ...).
And even those "British values" are not particularly British, but more like common decency - and derived from Judaeo-Christian values.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2022 9:31:46 GMT 1
Being proud to be English isn't something that really resonates with me; equally, I find being ashamed to be English a peculiar concept. It seems to me the present government don't really seem to be very English - or British, for that matter - because their values are not what I thing of as British values (honesty, decency, fairness, welcome the foreigner, ...). And even those "British values" are not particularly British, but more like common decency - and derived from Judaeo-Christian values. Your occasional reminder that "English" and "British" are not interchangeable descriptions. Don't be ashamed to be British, just don't be British. Be English, Scottish, Irish or Welsh. Proud or otherwise. British culture, traditions and values are about as real as the Loch Ness Monster.
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Post by woolybanana on Jun 1, 2022 9:34:43 GMT 1
Being proud to be English isn't something that really resonates with me; equally, I find being ashamed to be English a peculiar concept. It seems to me the present government don't really seem to be very English - or British, for that matter - because their values are not what I thing of as British values (honesty, decency, fairness, welcome the foreigner, ...). And even those "British values" are not particularly British, but more like common decency - and derived from Judaeo-Christian values. Wallonia is so indebted, strike prone and corrupt at certain levels that the French dont want them. Nor do those in Wallonia who value Belgian culture. But it is such a mismash of nationalities and races that it may soon be difficult to describe a Belgian culture, except in terms of variety.
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