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Post by Nifty on Jun 2, 2022 6:01:46 GMT 1
makes me wonder what the the new G. B. will mean for the so called Majority -
Gullible…..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2022 9:09:03 GMT 1
The politics of the day shouldn't be the determining factor in one's national pride. It's the proud supporters of a shameful and shameless government and those who believe their nationality and race makes them superior who been propagandised.
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Post by omegal on Jun 2, 2022 10:45:15 GMT 1
A real blast from the past, my dear Malc. You still in France, enjoying old age?😜 Any news of Dick Smith; I tried to find him on facebook but there are a hell of a lot of Dicks there! Yes still here in fact we are passing 30 years now. I continue to have visits from a few dear friends from Liege, one of them has now retired from being a Sports Journalist. Dick has just left from his maison secondaire and returned to the UK but he'll be back later this summer. We've had a few meals together either in Cancale or in Normandy. PM sent The good old days pre facebook when Complete France Forum ruled the roost on French Forums, sadly a few of the good ones are not with us any more.
Oh yes, old age isn't what I believed it would be but I'm hanging in there...
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Post by woolybanana on Jun 2, 2022 11:30:18 GMT 1
I am lucky to have found a brilliant partner ( shhhhh, dont let her hear). We share our time between London and the Pas de Calais with time for ourselves as well. And my kids and the grandchild are in Nivelles and Waterloo so get to see them too. Shows, films, decent restos and even, last weekend the Southend Fair which still has an attraction from before I left UK over 70 years ago.
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Post by tim17 on Jun 2, 2022 11:34:29 GMT 1
I'm proud to be English and always will be….. I wonder why ? Why shouldn't you be proud of the country of your birth, it's got nothing to do with the government of the day and everything to do with the history and culture.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2022 11:39:27 GMT 1
Why shouldn't you be proud of the country of your birth, it's got nothing to do with the government of the day and everything to do with the history and culture. Ooft! It's difficult to determine if that's an argument for or against.
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Post by mangetout on Jun 2, 2022 12:01:59 GMT 1
I can't think of any nation that has much to be proud of in its history, least of all England. We, along with most other economically advanced nations, have invaded, pillaged and brutalised weaker peoples to improve our lot. As for anyone suggesting that England has been welcoming to 'foreigners', I can think of nothing further from the truth. It's not that long since there were signs saying 'No blacks, no Irish'. They don't put up signs now. Much more subtle, but the racism still exists thanks to government policy and regular 'dog whistle' articles in the right wing press. Be proud of yourself and your family if indeed you are decent people but don't fool yourselves that any country has much to be proud of.
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Post by woolybanana on Jun 2, 2022 12:13:43 GMT 1
Mangetout, your view of Britain abroad is very one sided; much of what we did though not all admittedly was TRADE, as in the early part of our relationship with what was to become India. And just another interesting thing; under the last 100 years of British rule in India, for example, fewer people were killed by police than in the time since independence (excluding Partition). The rise and fall of empires, countries, societies is a perfectly normal human process reflected across the world; look at the Arab empire, Shaka and others. We also put a lot in.
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Post by Nifty on Jun 2, 2022 13:27:17 GMT 1
I have just got a load of the Queen’s 70th, 96th or whatever appeasement to flag waving.
I could not notice the similarity of the uniform of some female sportswoman who had been made an honorary Colonel and was taking part in the celebrations. It looked similar to high ranking soldiers of the North Korean army. Sign of the times I suppose.
I have not yet worked out why it should have been an 82 gun salute.
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Post by mangetout on Jun 2, 2022 13:36:01 GMT 1
Mangetout, your view of Britain abroad is very one sided; much of what we did though not all admittedly was TRADE, as in the early part of our relationship with what was to become India. And just another interesting thing; under the last 100 years of British rule in India, for example, fewer people were killed by police than in the time since independence (excluding Partition). The rise and fall of empires, countries, societies is a perfectly normal human process reflected across the world; look at the Arab empire, Shaka and others. We also put a lot in. Ha ha. You should have gone to Specsavers ........
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Post by Nifty on Jun 2, 2022 14:14:07 GMT 1
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Post by tim17 on Jun 2, 2022 14:53:24 GMT 1
I think some people are missing the point, every country has a dubious past but those alive now can't change that.
Should the French not be allowed to be proud of their country just because they were a major slave trading nation, that racism is still far more evident here than the UK, that the force feeding of ducks is still seen as okay, that hunting kills and injures dozens of innocent people every year?
Someone mentioned the Jubilee with a derogatory comment yet countries all over the world are watching today's events out of interest in and respect for the Queen and the service she's given to the country, I guess we shouldn't take pride in that either.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2022 15:09:48 GMT 1
70 years with the smell of fresh paint in her nostrils. She deserves a party.
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Post by pcpa on Jun 2, 2022 15:14:49 GMT 1
To me the anonymous cries of being ashamed of and the endless criticism & running down of their country of birth are usually an expression of the inner anxiety & turmoil that the person is feeling.
To quote Darwin:
It is not the most intellectual of the species that survives; it is not the strongest that survives; but the species that survives is the one that is able best to adapt and adjust to the changing environment in which it finds itself.
Those who shout the loudest are often those who end up returning.
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Post by mangetout on Jun 2, 2022 16:02:40 GMT 1
I think my post has been misunderstood. I am not saying England is unique in it's behaviour over the centuries, or in how it treats people today. I don't think there are any developed countries that are without shame. It's up to us as individuals to be decent human beings, and that includes who we vote for!
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