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Post by tim17 on Jun 2, 2022 16:14:19 GMT 1
I think my post has been misunderstood. I am not saying England is unique in it's behaviour over the centuries, or in how it treats people today. I don't think there are any developed countries that are without shame. It's up to us as individuals to be decent human beings, and that includes who we vote for! Do you blame the voters or the people lying to them in order to get the votes and does that mean that the millions that voted for Le Pen in April and who will vote for her party this month are not decent human beings?
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Post by mangetout on Jun 2, 2022 16:58:41 GMT 1
Both. And we have no experience of Mme Le Pen. Often what people say and what they do are 2 different things. But we know what Johnson is.
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Post by mangetout on Jun 2, 2022 17:10:19 GMT 1
To me the anonymous cries of being ashamed of and the endless criticism & running down of their country of birth are usually an expression of the inner anxiety & turmoil that the person is feeling. To quote Darwin: It is not the most intellectual of the species that survives; it is not the strongest that survives; but the species that survives is the one that is able best to adapt and adjust to the changing environment in which it finds itself. Those who shout the loudest are often those who end up returning. Misquote. One of the most common misquotations of Darwin. Read again, and remember we are sentient beings, not animals fighting for survival.
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Post by lindalovely on Jun 2, 2022 17:20:10 GMT 1
Pride is considered a vice isn't it? According to the Bible "The sin of pride is an excessive preoccupation with self and one's own importance, achievements, status, or possessions. This sin is considered rebellion against God because it attributes to one's self the honour and glory that only God is due" and Ben Franklin described humility as a “marked absence of the vices of pride.” These vices, which include smugness, arrogance, vanity, envy, and domination (among others) are directly opposed by of the vices of humility. Quite a good discussion here about whether pride is a vice or a virtue. theconversation.com/is-pride-a-vice-or-a-virtue-a-psychologist-explains-79225I am proud of quite a few things that I have achieved or worked hard for. Being British was an accident of birth so that is nothing that I can feel pride about since I had no choice in the matter. And so embarrassment is also not a feeling I associate with something I had no choice in. I think it is sad that the The UK has an incompetent government composed of fools and liars and sad that the British democratic system does not seem strong enough, when put to the test, to withstand the onslaught. Maybe the constitution will be rethought once the Queen goes.
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Post by tim17 on Jun 2, 2022 17:31:33 GMT 1
Interesting thought from Linda given that many 'gay' marches/events are called 'Pride', certainly gives Christian 'gays' a dilemma.
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Post by lindalovely on Jun 2, 2022 17:58:03 GMT 1
Interesting thought from Linda given that many 'gay' marches/events are called 'Pride', certainly gives Christian 'gays' a dilemma. In simple terms, it depends on the type of pride. Hubristic pride or authentic pride. Some researchers argue that hubristic pride is what leads to states of arrogance and smugness, while authentic pride is what promotes confidence and fulfilment. Nationalistic pride would be a result of hubristic pride. Authentic pride might be being proud of the fact that you have achieved something positive.
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Post by Nifty on Jun 2, 2022 18:08:23 GMT 1
Mothers Pride ?
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Post by Polarengineer on Jun 2, 2022 18:11:09 GMT 1
It's all a bunch of lions.
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Post by pcpa on Jun 2, 2022 18:53:43 GMT 1
Both. And we have no experience of Mme Le Pen. Often what people say and what they do are 2 different things. But we know what Johnson is. A rare politician that actually delivered what they said they would do if they were elected?
The last one I can recall was reviled by many for doing exactly that.
Sarkozy had he delivered would be reviled, today I was reflecting on what if anything France has to show for the tenures of Hollande and Macron?
I truthfully could not even recall the name of Hollande let alone his legacy, Boris wont be forgotten in a hurry.
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Post by woolybanana on Jun 2, 2022 19:17:43 GMT 1
A lot of scooters were sold after Hollande’s antics. Didnt they name one after him, The Randy!
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Post by mangetout on Jun 2, 2022 19:40:16 GMT 1
Both. And we have no experience of Mme Le Pen. Often what people say and what they do are 2 different things. But we know what Johnson is. A rare politician that actually delivered what they said they would do if they were elected?
The last one I can recall was reviled by many for doing exactly that.
Sarkozy had he delivered would be reviled, today I was reflecting on what if anything France has to show for the tenures of Hollande and Macron?
I truthfully could not even recall the name of Hollande let alone his legacy, Boris wont be forgotten in a hurry.
Surely you're joking? Have you ever looked at a list of his promises that have been broken. All he did was deliver Brexit, and that was only because it was his passport to power. Surely you're joking? Have you ever looked at a list of his promises that have been broken. All he did was deliver Brexit, and that was only because it was his passport to power.
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Post by ForumUser2 on Jun 2, 2022 19:45:16 GMT 1
A rare politician that actually delivered what they said they would do if they were elected?
The last one I can recall was reviled by many for doing exactly that.
Sarkozy had he delivered would be reviled, today I was reflecting on what if anything France has to show for the tenures of Hollande and Macron?
I truthfully could not even recall the name of Hollande let alone his legacy, Boris wont be forgotten in a hurry.
Surely you're joking? Have you ever looked at a list of his promises that have been broken. All he did was deliver Brexit, and that was only because it was his passport to power. Surely you're joking? Have you ever looked at a list of his promises that have been broken. All he did was deliver Brexit, and that was only because it was his passport to power. He didn't even do that well. See NI Protocol, which he agreed and now thinks is shit! If the word didn't already exist someone would have to come up with "knobhead".
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Post by lindalovely on Jun 2, 2022 19:50:35 GMT 1
Everyone remembers the names of dictators. What will Johnson be remembered for? Leaving his wife for his mistress, lying to parliament, appointing a load of sycophant incompetents to his government, hiding in a fridge. in fact apart from keeping his name in the headlines what has he achieved? He says he 'got brexit done', but ever since has spent most of his time trying to weasel out of the extremely poor deal that he took credit for, to the extent that neither the hard brexit lovers or the softer brexit lovers are happy. Britain has the highest inflation and slowest growth of all European countries post covid. He will claim he succeeded with the vaccine roll out but in reality any success he had with it was largely down to the NHS, an organisation that his government has continued to undermine. Seriously, what are the positive changes he has made to the UK?
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Post by mangetout on Jun 2, 2022 20:01:07 GMT 1
Everyone remembers the names of dictators. What will Johnson be remembered for? Leaving his wife for his mistress, lying to parliament, appointing a load of sycophant incompetents to his government, hiding in a fridge. in fact apart from keeping his name in the headlines what has he achieved? He says he 'got brexit done', but ever since has spent most of his time trying to weasel out of the extremely poor deal that he took credit for, to the extent that neither the hard brexit lovers or the softer brexit lovers are happy. Britain has the highest inflation and slowest growth of all European countries post covid. He will claim he succeeded with the vaccine roll out but in reality any success he had with it was largely down to the NHS, an organisation that his government has continued to undermine. Seriously, what are the positive changes he has made to the UK? I couldn't put it better, except we tend to use less correct language in our household! He's been an unmitigated disaster, both for the people generally but also to the worldwide reputation of GB. The sooner and his hangers on go the better.
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Post by ForumUser2 on Jun 2, 2022 20:08:54 GMT 1
Seriously, what are the positive changes he has made to the UK? Black passports. Crown Mark on pint glasses. What more could you possibly need?
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