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Post by chippy57 on May 4, 2022 18:39:13 GMT 1
Hi everyone. Im buying a house in the charonte. But the electrical install is old and shockingly bad. Im a builder by trade for 40 years and have a business partner who is a sparky. Ive downloaded all or 90% of the french Electrical regs, found a french electrical supplier in line and even found a electrical testing body that can test and certificate my installation. I and my friend have digested and discust the french regs over the last month or so. So im thinking of doing the rewire between us both (for beers and pizza 😂) has anybody got any ideas,things to remember or just some good storys of there own rewiring. Looking forward to any replys. Take care 🙏
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Post by JohnnyD on May 4, 2022 18:45:08 GMT 1
There are a few people here, one being an electrician in France recently retired, and Robert who is a font of everything electrical………
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Post by ibis on May 4, 2022 18:48:51 GMT 1
Finding someone to actually "pass" the do it yourself electrical installation may be hard to find or cost a fortune; it is their behind on the line if something fails or kills.. You said you have found one but I would be skeptical.
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Post by chippy57 on May 4, 2022 18:56:54 GMT 1
Hi. The people ive found to check and certificate the electrical installation is called service Central de consuel and there apparently all over france.
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Post by ibis on May 4, 2022 19:00:15 GMT 1
Hi. The people ive found to check and certificate the electrical installation is called service Central de consuel and there apparently all over france. Normally they only work with french registered and trained electricians... Maybe I am wrong.
Good luck
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Post by Aardvark on May 4, 2022 21:35:53 GMT 1
has anybody got any ideas,things to remember Don't be tempted to use UK sourced twin + earth cable as so many others have done. It will end in tears.
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Post by Le-Dolly on May 4, 2022 22:18:06 GMT 1
The cost of certification from the Consuel is about 120€. Stories that they will only certify French registered and trained electricians are completely bogus, it is perfectly possible to do you own re-wire, in fact the form is marked for professional or particular (non pro). If you do want Consuel certification, you will have to do your installation completely to the Normes Française and that will include the communications part, whether you think that is necessary or not. I have never seen the Normes in English but a little French language learning is not a bad thing. The latest amendments to the Normes can be downloaded from the major fournisseurs such as Legrand and Hager. The process of applying for the certification (Attestation de Conformité) is straight forward, download a form from Consuel Paris, pay and a short time later an inspector will call. There is still available a little handbook from 2000, a little dated, but with pictures and very relevant. You can get it from Amazon France for not much more than 1€. L'électricité Pas à Pas.
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Post by Le-Dolly on May 4, 2022 22:56:43 GMT 1
chippy57 I notice that you have joined at least one other forum. You should be aware that some of the information you have received so far is false, guessed and erroneous, delivered by non experts.
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Post by pcpa on May 4, 2022 23:12:13 GMT 1
Normally they only work with french registered and trained electricians... Maybe I am wrong. You are, I have had 7 installations inspected and validated by Consuel as un particulier.
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Post by pcpa on May 4, 2022 23:23:07 GMT 1
Chippy, as your property has an electrical supply you are under no obligation to have an inspection by Consuel but it is a very good idea for your own piece of mind having completed works to a completely different system, it's exactly what I did and the experience I gained meant that I could go on and do the subsequent 6 installations that needed a new electrical supply which does require a Consuel Attestation de conformité.
Le Dolly is correct in that you will need the GTL (gaine technique de logement) and all the communication wiring even though everything is now going wireless for Consuel however if you decide not to go down that route you are not obliged to do everything to the current regs although any electrician pricing the job will tell you that you must, it simply isn't true, you are only obliged to meet the standards in existence when the installation was first connected, so whilst you are doing the job to make it safer with RCD's etc other areas of expense like the communications sockets, GTL etc can be ignored if they dont bring any benefit to you.
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Post by robertarthur on May 5, 2022 10:43:35 GMT 1
About Consuel and the DIY: see their 2019 report and the logements individuels: professionals and the others, page 16. The several non-conformités, an inventarisation of the inspections in the Consuel 2020 report, pages 15/16/17. Question for Cippy57: many informative articles to be found on the internet, sometimes correct, sometimes not 100% true. May I ask what you've digested so far, books, regs, websites? Edit: just in case, the French electrical code, books and websites.
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Post by mangetout on May 12, 2022 8:24:47 GMT 1
I'm in the process of selling g and my estate agent says our electrics don't conform because some sockets aren't earthed, although obviously this will be confirmed by the diagnostics. However he did say it wasn't necessary to do a complete re wire, just to have a new fuse box installed which would provide the earthing. Is this right? Sounds too simple to me.
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Post by hal on May 12, 2022 8:39:06 GMT 1
Estate agents! Doncha just love them!
As you describe it, yes, too simple!
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Post by robertarthur on May 12, 2022 8:46:57 GMT 1
@ Mangetout, it is indeed simple, not too simple. The official website of the French Government doesn't need close reading: the so called DEO test is obligatoire, the results are there to clarify possible security issues. Quote: <<.... aperçu de la sécurité des installations électriques d'un logement >>. To inform the new owner - or tenant - about the condition of the wiring. Not any obligation for seller/buyer to bring everything in conformity with the latest regs of the French electrical code. In other words: << L’existence d’anomalies au niveau de l’installation électrique ne bloque pas la vente. >> Further reading: Promotelec document for sellers/buyers and landlords/tenants.
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Post by mangetout on May 12, 2022 8:53:17 GMT 1
But would simply changing the tableaux overcome the security problem and give conformity? Sorry if I sound dumb, I just don't know anything about electrics.
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