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Post by hal on May 20, 2022 10:02:01 GMT 1
Apologies first to anyone here that is a die-hard NI native, but I am getting a bit fed up that so much money being spent by everyone pussy-footing around the NI situation, whereas all that is needed is for someone to knock a few heads together and told to get on with it. I am sorry to say this, but the six counties is not economically viable and very much like the lilies in the field analogy from the bible. This is why you will never be part of Eire because they, like any enterprise, want profit.
We finally have a situation where some liberal thinking has the majority of votes, but we all know that out of principle, the flat-earthers in the form of that dreadful dup are going to work hard to scupper any and everything because this is how they are. And we continue to pick up the tab.
Listen, good people in NI, the world has a few larger issues looming that are more important than your ideals of whether you support Rome or London, so let us use what little money there is to support those in real need.
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Post by ForumUser2 on May 20, 2022 10:06:38 GMT 1
Yes, very helpful.
Problem solved.
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Post by Nifty on May 20, 2022 10:10:47 GMT 1
Simples!
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Post by cernunnos on May 20, 2022 19:53:35 GMT 1
Just give Ireland back to the Irish ? Hey , I feel a song coming on !
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Post by hal on May 20, 2022 22:47:02 GMT 1
Indeed, everyone agrees! two things preventing the idea: the flat earthers will scupper it just on principle and, as it stands now, Eire does not want it...
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Post by ForumUser2 on May 21, 2022 7:33:58 GMT 1
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Post by landmannnn on May 21, 2022 8:43:08 GMT 1
Stating the obvious, but those with connections to that part of the British Isles will know that protestant/catholic divide runs very very deeply.
The South will not want to inherit a million orange, the same would not want to live with 6 million green.
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Post by ForumUser2 on May 21, 2022 10:51:13 GMT 1
Stating the obvious, but those with connections to that part of the British Isles will know that protestant/catholic divide runs very very deeply. The South will not want to inherit a million orange, the same would not want to live with 6 million green. That is true but probably less so in the past quarter century. The hegemony of the Church in the Republic has been firmly shattered - both because of the child abuse scandal and the increasingly cosmopolitan nature of urban populations, particularly in Dublin and Cork - and the South has never really been anti-protestant in the way that the Northern establishment was anti-Catholic. The North has also moved on, the rivalries of the past ameliorated by the terms of the GFA that has smoothed the passage of Catholics into the Police, Judiciary and local and state government. Yes, there are hotpots of atavistic tribalism in places like North and West Belfast, Derry and other increasingly isolated areas. But we are a long way from the divisions of the Troubles. So while the North and South are dissimilar socially and politically I think we need to move on from the accepted wisdom formed by 30 years of civil strife and try to understand that there is increasingly more that unites and less that divides the Island.
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Post by pcpa on May 21, 2022 12:33:13 GMT 1
And we continue to pick up the tab. I am not paying towards the tab, are you?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2022 14:07:59 GMT 1
You think?
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Post by pcpa on May 21, 2022 21:37:51 GMT 1
I try not to, I don't like to overstretch my capabilities.
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Post by hal on May 24, 2022 9:04:29 GMT 1
... I think we need to move on from the accepted wisdom formed by 30 years of civil strife and try to understand that there is increasingly more that unites and less that divides the Island. Do you really think this can/will happen? On the news today, O'Neill has made a concession that the SF will now call the land mass Northern Ireland as a gesture to the flat-earthers and has a meeting with a few liberal thinking conservative MPs today, but the slob prime minister has recommended MPs do not attend...because of the upset it will cause the flat-earthers! I thought the GFA was meant to get rid of all this tribalism. I see US 747s landing and disgorging the necessary motorcade that is shipped back and forth despite NI being, in most part, in the 21st century and can supply modern motor vehicles. But hey ho, let's throw away more good money...
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Post by ForumUser2 on May 24, 2022 11:30:20 GMT 1
Indeed the DUP are becoming marginalised. There's a long way to go before that Unionist swamp is drained. Little steps...
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Post by landmannnn on May 24, 2022 21:07:41 GMT 1
Stating the obvious, but those with connections to that part of the British Isles will know that protestant/catholic divide runs very very deeply. The South will not want to inherit a million orange, the same would not want to live with 6 million green. That is true but probably less so in the past quarter century. The hegemony of the Church in the Republic has been firmly shattered - both because of the child abuse scandal and the increasingly cosmopolitan nature of urban populations, particularly in Dublin and Cork - and the South has never really been anti-protestant in the way that the Northern establishment was anti-Catholic. The North has also moved on, the rivalries of the past ameliorated by the terms of the GFA that has smoothed the passage of Catholics into the Police, Judiciary and local and state government. Yes, there are hotpots of atavistic tribalism in places like North and West Belfast, Derry and other increasingly isolated areas. But we are a long way from the divisions of the Troubles. So while the North and South are dissimilar socially and politically I think we need to move on from the accepted wisdom formed by 30 years of civil strife and try to understand that there is increasingly more that unites and less that divides the Island. You would think so, but some of the people I know in both countries still hold very strong views.
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Post by ForumUser2 on May 24, 2022 22:43:22 GMT 1
That is true but probably less so in the past quarter century. The hegemony of the Church in the Republic has been firmly shattered - both because of the child abuse scandal and the increasingly cosmopolitan nature of urban populations, particularly in Dublin and Cork - and the South has never really been anti-protestant in the way that the Northern establishment was anti-Catholic. The North has also moved on, the rivalries of the past ameliorated by the terms of the GFA that has smoothed the passage of Catholics into the Police, Judiciary and local and state government. Yes, there are hotpots of atavistic tribalism in places like North and West Belfast, Derry and other increasingly isolated areas. But we are a long way from the divisions of the Troubles. So while the North and South are dissimilar socially and politically I think we need to move on from the accepted wisdom formed by 30 years of civil strife and try to understand that there is increasingly more that unites and less that divides the Island. You would think so, but some of the people I know in both countries still hold very strong views. Of course they do. Nobody can pretend that everything changes overnight. And there always will be an entrenched hardcore. But it's only one country, divided.
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