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Post by hal on May 26, 2022 8:41:36 GMT 1
....for nationals of a member state of the EEA. This is sort of how I thought it to be.
If this is the case, and the majority of borders are just a signpost in the ground - back to my original question: is there a penalty, does anyone know, for being stopped without a stamped passport.
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Post by elsie on May 26, 2022 9:00:05 GMT 1
There are other conditions. It depends whether you are from an EU country with a French residence permit (and probably EEA/Switzerland?) or from a non-EU country (e.g UK) with a France residence permit. A non-EU country France residence permit is more restrictive and only allows you the same as a Schengen visa, so 90/180 days in the Schengen area outside France and you are required to carry a passport. How they monitor for those already within the Schengen Area it is another matter. There are few road/train border checks in the countries in the west of the EU (at present) but they are more common between the east countries. I suspect there is the possibility of more detailed records to be added to a database for internal EU flights and ferries between countries (but not necessarily passport stamping)? Although this article seems a bit odd nd lacking in detail, it seems Belgium are possibly planning to implement internal border controls for migrants as part of the EU Entry/Exit System (EES)? www.biometricupdate.com/202205/belgium-approves-biometric-database-for-migrants-as-part-of-eu-entry-exit-system-requirement
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Post by molehunter on May 26, 2022 16:24:16 GMT 1
Honestly, you lot do get confused and are easily distracted.
I will try again.
When passing through French customs in a RHD vehicle at a French ferry port (leaving France and entering a week later) I presented my passport and carte de sejour. The customs officer asked how long I had been living in France, I replied (the answer was longer than a year). He than called a colleague over to look at the car registration plates (which he could not see from his booth that I was parked alongside).
Obviously if one is resident in France one should be driving a car on French plates and one's imported car needs to be re-registered in France (which we all know).
The point I was making is that this was the first time, of many crossings, I have found French customs taking an interest in this subject.
Now, if you have your Werthers to hand and a fresh cup of cocoa you can get back to discussing if your passport should be stamped when crossing from Spain on a uni-cycle with a hamster.
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Post by pcpa on May 26, 2022 18:52:44 GMT 1
You do not pass through French customs when leaving a ferry port in France for the UK.
So you were asked a question by the border control "how long have you lived in France", if you are not just waved through they usually ask one or several of many questions, "where are you going?", "where do you live?", "how long will you be going for?", "where will you be staying?" and from that you conclude that:
At the port the (French) Customs were checking for any travelers with a CdS and a UK registered car.
Of course you now say that the point you were (really) making was that this was the first time the French (not) customs were taking an interest in this (not) subject.
Were you to have been driving on UK plates I could perhaps understand the conclusion that you have drawn.
The booths have several cameras trained on the vehicles including the front number plate, this is displayed on their monitor and also uses number plate recognition (as do the check in booths) to flag up any that have a marker placed on them, perhaps yours flagged up & the colleague checked to see whether it had been a misread.
During the pandemic I made repeated removal trips taking an empty roulotte to the UK and full on the way back, customs took an interest on my first return journey when I submitted the customs declaration to cover all the items being moved across all the journeys and at that stage my passport and the vehicle was likely flagged, thereafter customs took little interest not even wanting the roulotte opened but i was given the business every time when leaving by French border control in many different ways, given the rapid fire questions where they dont even give you time to reply, one female gendarme noticed the lack of CT sticker in my windscreen and asked what year was the car and said I needed one, I explained that I had registered it less than 2 years before and the 12 month UK MOT accepted meant my carte grise said I did not need a CT for 24 months.
Instead of being waved through like others I was always stopped as the ANPR camera sees the plate where you queue behind, its the reason for the yellow hatched area to hold you back which most dont see, they would be looking at the computer screen before even looking at me or looking at my passport often calling a colleague exactly like you experienced, one time I was directed to the side where other agents checked the roulotte carefully looking for a false floor.
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Post by beejay on May 27, 2022 11:20:11 GMT 1
Voyager dans l'espace Schengen avec une carte de séjour française sans passeport est possible pour les ressortissants de la Suisse ou d'un État membre de l'Espace économique européen. Pour les citoyens des autres pays, la présentation d'un passeport est toujours obligatoire.
Traveling in the Schengen area with a French residence permit without a passport is possible for nationals of Switzerland or of a member state of the European Economic Area. For citizens of other countries, the presentation of a passport is always mandatory.
Which reads as a UK passport holder who also has French CDS has to present their passport for stamping to enter/exit any EU country other than France.
This is to comply with Schengen rules. When the EES and ETIAS are operational all movements will be recorded electronically.
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Post by hal on May 27, 2022 12:43:51 GMT 1
This is as I always thought it was.
Now back to my question, what might happen to the person above if s/he passes an unmanned border and is stopped further inland with an unstamped passport..?
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Post by lapourtaider on May 27, 2022 13:01:15 GMT 1
This is to comply with Schengen rules. When the EES and ETIAS are operational all movements will be recorded electronically.
How? If I drive from my home into Spain, unless my car reg is somehow linked to the EES/ETIAS?
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Post by pcpa on May 27, 2022 14:22:16 GMT 1
This is as I always thought it was. Now back to my question, what might happen to the person above if s/he passes an unmanned border and is stopped further inland with an unstamped passport..? If they are French resident then nothing, if they are non EU non resident probably nothing either.
The only thing that theoretically could happen is someone being fined when leaving France for overstaying their visa or 3 months, 6 months whatever it is but given that many if not most are waved through border control or their passports not stamped, and that many borders are not controlled then what would they have to go on?
I was advised by a border control agent early on in this debacle when they were not asking if people were resident and had a carte de séjour that I should present my carte and not wait to be asked for it which I have done ever since but on recent journeys they have taken it but never stamped the passport, thats fine by me & if it gives them a little more time to concentrate on important matters then tant mieux.
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Post by pcpa on May 27, 2022 14:26:54 GMT 1
Which reads as a UK passport holder who also has French CDS has to present their passport for stamping to enter/exit any EU country other than France. It doesn't say "for stamping" but that the presentation of a passporte is obligatoire, if there is no border control to present it to then it wont happen, if there is and they are waved through it wont happen, however if there is then without having a passport to present they wont be crossing the border with the exception of returning to their country of residence.
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Post by landmannnn on May 27, 2022 16:40:37 GMT 1
This is as I always thought it was. Now back to my question, what might happen to the person above if s/he passes an unmanned border and is stopped further inland with an unstamped passport..? I suggest that the police who stopped you further inland would take the view that border control was not their responsibility. Saying that if you were stopped inland committing a crime there interviewing officer would be very interested to hear your explanation.
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Post by pcpa on Sept 18, 2022 16:52:53 GMT 1
I have now completed all my removal journeys from the UK which started a long time ago, my carte de séjour which was lost several months ago has not been asked for since the removal of the Covid travel restrictions and frequently it was not asked for when they were in effect.
I have just looked in my passport and it has been stamped 7 times at Dieppe, Dunkerque, Calais and Douvres since Feb 2021.
I notice that they have an arrow on them either pointing right or left, presumably entry and exit to France, I have 3 right facing ones and 3 left facing ones, I have crossed the border at least 10 times during that period so several passages without any control or stamping.
I can see no point in my jumping through the difficult hoops and obstacles to get the CdS replaced nor pay a possible €225 fee for doing so if the document is never going to be requested, I have the attestation de délivrance which is a valid document were it ever needed.
I have replaced my Carte Vitale which was relatively easy by comparison.
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Post by Aardvark on Sept 19, 2022 8:56:07 GMT 1
I take a similar view regarding my expired UK passport. I have better things to spend my money on.
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Post by cernunnos on Sept 19, 2022 9:01:03 GMT 1
I take a similar view regarding my expired UK passport. I have better things to spend my money on. A carte de sejour is not valid without a passport .
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Post by cernunnos on Sept 19, 2022 9:06:04 GMT 1
I have now completed all my removal journeys from the UK which started a long time ago, my carte de séjour which was lost several months ago has not been asked for since the removal of the Covid travel restrictions and frequently it was not asked for when they were in effect. I have just looked in my passport and it has been stamped 7 times at Dieppe, Dunkerque, Calais and Douvres since Feb 2021. I notice that they have an arrow on them either pointing right or left, presumably entry and exit to France, I have 3 right facing ones and 3 left facing ones, I have crossed the border at least 10 times during that period so several passages without any control or stamping. I can see no point in my jumping through the difficult hoops and obstacles to get the CdS replaced nor pay a possible €225 fee for doing so if the document is never going to be requested, I have the attestation de délivrance which is a valid document were it ever needed. I have replaced my Carte Vitale which was relatively easy by comparison. Un récépissé de demande de duplicata permet de voyager pendant sa durée de validité s'il est accompagné de la déclaration de vol ou de perte.
I am sure you have made a declaration after loosing your Carte de Sejour ?
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Post by pcpa on Sept 19, 2022 12:35:32 GMT 1
I think so but am now doubting myself, too much has been going on, I will check.
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