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Post by houpla on Jun 18, 2022 11:06:37 GMT 1
As mentioned elsewhere, it is becoming apparent that Brits on a low income in France who were formerly eligible for the Complémentaire Santé Solidaire (which was formerly known as CMU-C) are having their renewals refused by CPAMs. They/we are being told that we no longer have the right to it due to 'a change in the law and Brexit' with effect from 30/4/2022. No functionnaire, AFAIK, has been able (or willing) to precise where it's written/published. They certainly don't know whether it is a result of some change to the Withdrawal Agreement on the part of the UK government or just the French gov using a loophole to save money and pee off the UK. Sadly, it's not the UK government that will suffer as a result, but thousands of elderly or younger, low-income families. This shouldn't be confused with the right to basic healthcare under the S1 arrangement. That was clearly set out in the WA, giving long-term resident Brits continued access to l'Assurance Maladie. RIFT and the British Embassy have been made aware of this and are trying to find out what's going on. Meanwhile, I've written (LRAR of course ) to the Director of the CPAM 47, the député and the Ministre des Solidarités et de la Santé, asking for clarification. Not had the courtesy of a reply from any of them, but then this is France. For anyone who is affected by this, and can bear to look on Facebook, there is more information on the Strictly Santé page.
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Post by tim17 on Jun 18, 2022 16:18:35 GMT 1
There is a thread about this on another forum.
Could it be that the change in income thresholds since the 1st of April has caused an automatic refusal upon renewal?
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Post by houpla on Jun 18, 2022 18:20:02 GMT 1
No, Tim, it's absolutely nothing to do with the income threshold. That was always adjusted upwards in April, but the people who've been refused so far are way below either the lower limit for 100% free cover, or the upper, contributory limit. One acquaintance was told in no uncertain terms by staff at his CPAM that "'migrants anglais' no longer have the right to claim since Brexit". So the 'ressortissants britanniques' have now become 'migrants anglais' Doubly upsetting for the Scots, Welsh and Irish I'd imagine. The Social Security number issued to Brits contains a 2-digit code (99) indicating their 'foreign' origins, so it's easy enough for the CPAMs to pick them out. I'm waiting to see whether we'll be accepted as French nationals. I very much doubt it, as UK will always be our 'competent State'.
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Post by ibis on Jun 18, 2022 20:10:22 GMT 1
then it is no different from what the Canadians, Americans, Mexicans have experienced FOREVER.. they are applying the same to UKers now.
Get used to it and start studying the law for 3rd world nationals in France. Might save you some anguish later..
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Post by cernunnos on Jun 18, 2022 20:49:55 GMT 1
I had a request for my titre de sejour from the MSA , I sent a copy of my French passport , that shut 'em up !
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Post by pcpa on Jun 18, 2022 21:38:51 GMT 1
Mine was renewed IIRC on the 29th April, I cant tell for sure as my Carte Vitale is now lost together with my Carte de sèjour and all my bank cards (another story), the renewal was a bit of a cliffhanger and wasn't confirmed until a few days after the expiry of the old one but that seems to happen most years.
My income has been low enough for the last couple of years to qualify for the 100% free cover, the year before that I earned €50 too much so had to pay €25 per month! My declared income for 2021 was virtually nothing but the CPAM use the previous year because my renewal is April and I don't have to declare my income until May, this current year will be close to zero, this is my last month of any income.
If they remove the CSS from me I won't be bothered as instead they would have to give me the Aide Medicale de l’État (A.M.E.)
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Post by pcpa on Jun 18, 2022 21:43:14 GMT 1
I checked the attestation de droits PDF that I downloaded to use instead of my carte vitale, I was wrong, my cover started on the 1st of June so I appear to be an exception to what is being stated:
"They/we are being told that we no longer have the right to it due to 'a change in the law and Brexit' with effect from 30/4/2022"
My apologies for not knowing the dates, the last few months have been manic.
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Post by pcpa on Jun 18, 2022 21:54:00 GMT 1
The Social Security number issued to Brits contains a 2-digit code (99) indicating their 'foreign' origins, so it's easy enough for the CPAMs to pick them out. Is that the 3rd pair of figures? Mine starts with a single "1" then a pair that is my year of birth, then a pair that is my month of birth followed by "99" The first 2 pairs might coincidentally be my birth month & year but I think in the past someone told eplained how to déchiffré the number to get someones date of birth. I am fairly certain that 99 does not indicate Brittanique but Né à l'Etranger: Concernant les naissances à l’étranger c’est donc les caractères 6 à 10 du numéro de sécurité sociale qui vont nous intéresser. En effet ceux-ci permettent d’identifier le lieu de naissance. Pour des naissances en France métropolitaine ce sera le code du département de naissance (ex : 29 pour le Finistère) et un code de 3 chiffres permettant d’identifier la commune exacte. Pour les personnes nées à l’étranger c’est tout aussi simple. Le code département est remplacé par 99 et le code commune est remplacé par un code pays défini par l’INSEE
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Post by pcpa on Jun 18, 2022 21:56:32 GMT 1
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Post by houpla on Jun 18, 2022 21:58:49 GMT 1
then it is no different from what the Canadians, Americans, Mexicans have experienced FOREVER.. they are applying the same to UKers now. Get used to it and start studying the law for 3rd world nationals in France. Might save you some anguish later.. Go and boil your head. I don't need to 'get used to' anything as I'm a French national. I'm trying to get information and help for those who aren't.
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Post by houpla on Jun 18, 2022 22:05:03 GMT 1
Ah right, I've always been aware of the '99' bit, but didn't twig the '132' denoting UK. It's interesting that you've had your renewal accepted, pcpa. Was that the Pas de Calais CPAM or the Dordogne one? I wonder if it's linked to your being 'actif' and not dependant on an S1?
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Post by pcpa on Jun 18, 2022 22:30:09 GMT 1
CPAM Amiens.
I'm not classed as an "Actif" it seems crazy to me but my income is considered "revenu de remplacement" and prohibits me from touching the CAF or contributing to a French pension.
I think that you are probably right about the S1, in which case it wont affect the young families that you mentioned although no doubt if RIFT & Fessbook are involved then they will be scared witless at present.
Bottom line is nobody in France can slip through the net, its what the "Universal" in CMU was to denote, if the CSS is refused then the they will have coverage through the AME.
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Post by Aardvark on Jun 19, 2022 9:01:09 GMT 1
Very interesting to get some more info on how the Social Security number translates. Having checked mine there seems to be an anomaly. I have the 99 132 but I was not actually born in UK. So rather than the country code representing place of birth as suggested on the linked website, it must indicate nationality.
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Post by houpla on Jun 19, 2022 10:23:54 GMT 1
Bottom line is nobody in France can slip through the net, its what the "Universal" in CMU was to denote, if the CSS is refused then the they will have coverage through the AME. I doubt that. It is for étrangers in an irregular situation, i.e. sans papiers. Given that most of the Brits are home-owners and have TdS's which indicate their 'regular and stable' status, it's unlikely to wash.....
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Post by pcpa on Jun 19, 2022 11:42:40 GMT 1
Nobody in France can slip through the net, they worked tirelesssly to achieve the aim that everybody could have access to healthcare.
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