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Post by triumphant on Jul 18, 2022 7:50:22 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2022 8:16:18 GMT 1
How it's managed and how it's funded may be questionable and it may have let a few odd characters slip through the net over the years but where would we be without the NHS? These anomalies don't define it.
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Post by Aardvark on Jul 18, 2022 8:29:46 GMT 1
No they don't, but they hold it back to some extent.
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Post by landmannnn on Jul 18, 2022 8:51:10 GMT 1
If the NHS were a corporate employer it would be the second largest in the world (just behind Walmart)
So with 1.3m employees and £billions of real estate there will be hundreds of thousands of back office jobs.
Nurses can't change light bulbs, procure ambulances, set recruitement policy, prépare annual accounts,run an IT department, procure laptops, negotiate utility costs...
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Post by Nifty on Jul 18, 2022 9:16:19 GMT 1
I think the position advertised had already been filled when so called ad was created and it is part of the smoke and mirrors antics of the PTB who want to be seen as upholding the quaint notion of free choice ethics.
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Post by woolybanana on Jul 18, 2022 9:59:48 GMT 1
Well, how many nurses doe it take to change a light bulb, or even a heavy one?
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Post by tim17 on Jul 18, 2022 10:06:09 GMT 1
Just like any major employer the NHS has to follow today's mad world and employ people basically to stop them being sued by all and sundry.
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Post by woolybanana on Jul 18, 2022 10:44:19 GMT 1
A total waste of public money. Administrators are like weeds that spread and spread and if uncontrolled or not eliminated will take over the garden. Shame on the NHS for this appointment and others like it.
There should be a proof of value test whereby an institution has to prove how much of every pound of taxpayer funds is used on the main service, the ideal being something like 95%.
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Post by landmannnn on Jul 18, 2022 10:48:47 GMT 1
A total waste of public money. Administrators are like weeds that spread and spread and if uncontrolled or not eliminated will take over the garden. Shame on the NHS for this appointment and others like it. There should be a proof of value test whereby an institution has to prove how much of every pound of taxpayer funds is used on the main service, the ideal being something like 95%. The only problem with that is that the NHS and other public bodies will then employ whole teams of people to do all of that. A classic example, Network Rail employ over 100 people to attribute delays.
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Post by hal on Jul 18, 2022 11:19:08 GMT 1
I do feel sorry for those at the coalface of the NHS.
I know a couple of paramedics quite well and I hate to see them when the subject of ambulance delays and disgrace comes up. They are almost in tears explaining that the ambulance teams are top notch, which I believe them to be. However, they know that when they have rushed to a victim, the chances of survival await at the hospital entrance, not because there is no one to take them in, but nowhere to put them - all due to the lack of good management at discharging the ones ready to leave.
How many times they ask, have you seen a hospital CEO on the block for allowing poor throughput in the system? Probably never, but they continue to pull in managers for diversity etc...
Solution: after a hard stint on the front line, make paramedics and ambulance staff the managers.
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Post by mangetout on Jul 18, 2022 12:17:47 GMT 1
A total waste of public money. Administrators are like weeds that spread and spread and if uncontrolled or not eliminated will take over the garden. Shame on the NHS for this appointment and others like it. There should be a proof of value test whereby an institution has to prove how much of every pound of taxpayer funds is used on the main service, the ideal being something like 95%. Most organisations aim for 4:1 ratio of productive workers to admin and management. The NHS is a very complex organisation so the ratio might be nearer 3.5:1. What it is monetary terms I've no idea.
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Post by landmannnn on Jul 18, 2022 12:38:11 GMT 1
A total waste of public money. Administrators are like weeds that spread and spread and if uncontrolled or not eliminated will take over the garden. Shame on the NHS for this appointment and others like it. There should be a proof of value test whereby an institution has to prove how much of every pound of taxpayer funds is used on the main service, the ideal being something like 95%. Most organisations aim for 4:1 ratio of productive workers to admin and management. The NHS is a very complex organisation so the ratio might be nearer 3.5:1. What it is monetary terms I've no idea. Total NHS staff cost is 56 billion, so we are taking about 20 billion for non-productive workers.
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Post by exile on Jul 18, 2022 13:31:59 GMT 1
hal - You and your paramedics do not seem to understand what the issues are. People are not discharged from hospital because they need to go into a care home for a period or indefinitely. Most care homes are not part of the NHS. The CEO has then no control over the availability of care home places. Now add in the inability to find enough carers to work (for very little) in the care homes, the inability to get foreign workers to work in care homes in part as a consequence of Brexit, pitiful government guarantees for payments to care homes for those who cannot afford to pay and an aging population that increases the demand for places and with all of those impacts you can see how things are getting worse and not better. A lack of joined up government thinking is a major contributor to the problems and what have they done? Got people to sell their homes to pay for the available places.
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Post by mangetout on Jul 18, 2022 13:53:56 GMT 1
Most organisations aim for 4:1 ratio of productive workers to admin and management. The NHS is a very complex organisation so the ratio might be nearer 3.5:1. What it is monetary terms I've no idea. Total NHS staff cost is 56 billion, so we are taking about 20 billion for non-productive workers. They are not non productive. Without them the system would grind to a halt.
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Post by Nifty on Jul 18, 2022 14:17:55 GMT 1
Most organisations aim for 4:1 ratio of productive workers to admin and management. The NHS is a very complex organisation so the ratio might be nearer 3.5:1. What it is monetary terms I've no idea. Total NHS staff cost is 56 billion, so we are taking about 20 billion for non-productive workers. Not forgetting that chains tend to be only as strong as their weakest links. so much for KISS en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockchain.
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