Aardvark
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Living in soggy 22 and still wondering what's going on.
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Post by Aardvark on Jul 18, 2022 15:32:57 GMT 1
Don't worry peeps. It'll all be fine when the drip feed privatisation process is complete.
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Post by hal on Jul 18, 2022 15:38:31 GMT 1
Wot, you mean when it is under US control..?
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Post by woolybanana on Jul 18, 2022 15:59:51 GMT 1
What is this obsession with the US? There are other models but few are as admin heavy. What is wrong with the French system, for example or the German?
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Nifty
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Post by Nifty on Jul 18, 2022 16:20:13 GMT 1
Just that it Is not British.
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Post by landmannnn on Jul 18, 2022 16:24:42 GMT 1
What is this obsession with the US? There are other models but few are as admin heavy. What is wrong with the French system, for example or the German? Boris was trying to sell the NHS to some Americans.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2022 16:39:05 GMT 1
Most organisations aim for 4:1 ratio of productive workers to admin and management. The NHS is a very complex organisation so the ratio might be nearer 3.5:1. What it is monetary terms I've no idea. Total NHS staff cost is 56 billion, so we are taking about 20 billion for non-productive workers. 14 - 15 m for technical, maintenance, administrative and clerical staff among others that are essential to the functioning of the NHS? God, you couldnae buy half a Dido Harding for that.
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Post by hal on Jul 18, 2022 17:27:50 GMT 1
What is this obsession with the US? There are other models but few are as admin heavy. What is wrong with the French system, for example or the German? The French or Germans were not making a big play to buy into the NHS - The US were making a big play to buy in under Trump and maybe still are... Personally I do not care as I shall finish my days in the French system, but my 'obsession' is in sympathy to anyone reliant on the NHS...
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Post by woolybanana on Jul 18, 2022 19:28:33 GMT 1
Agreed that the Americans must be kept out but there is no reason why this great Socialist institution should not be modified to meet the future needs of the British population.
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exile
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Post by exile on Jul 18, 2022 19:47:49 GMT 1
You make it sound as if nothing has changed in 75 years wooly. I can assure you that the district nurse no longer rides a very heavy bicycle.
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Post by triumphant on Jul 19, 2022 10:23:22 GMT 1
hal - You and your paramedics do not seem to understand what the issues are. People are not discharged from hospital because they need to go into a care home for a period or indefinitely. Most care homes are not part of the NHS. The CEO has then no control over the availability of care home places. Now add in the inability to find enough carers to work (for very little) in the care homes, the inability to get foreign workers to work in care homes in part as a consequence of Brexit, pitiful government guarantees for payments to care homes for those who cannot afford to pay and an aging population that increases the demand for places and with all of those impacts you can see how things are getting worse and not better. A lack of joined up government thinking is a major contributor to the problems and what have they done? Got people to sell their homes to pay for the available places. Not to mention the shortage of staff was added to by the dismissal of those that are unvaxxed.
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Post by hal on Jul 19, 2022 11:28:51 GMT 1
OK, so the blockage goes beyond the exit door of the hospital - so find where the end blockage is and unplug it.
As far as the ambulances see, they cannot offload due to the local blockage. They cannot be expected to trawl all the way down the line to find the root cause - this is the job of the various CEOs.
All anyone hears in the UK, especially now with the new numbed candidates for PM, is about giving money to the NHS. Not the answer. Get management, all the way down the line if necessary to do some work and not worry about diversity!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2022 14:53:08 GMT 1
On the news this morning that the 22,000 folk waiting for treatment on the NHS for more than 2 years has been reduced to 168 post Covid. Well done to all the NHS medical staff.
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Post by tim17 on Aug 9, 2022 15:05:41 GMT 1
On the news this morning that the 22,000 folk waiting for treatment on the NHS for more than 2 years has been reduced to 168 post Covid. Well done to all the NHS medical staff. Nice cherry picking, there are 6.6 million on the current waiting list with 400K having been waiting over a year and 50K over 18 months.
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Post by ForumUser2 on Aug 9, 2022 15:14:20 GMT 1
You're just encouraging the troll.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2022 16:47:19 GMT 1
On the news this morning that the 22,000 folk waiting for treatment on the NHS for more than 2 years has been reduced to 168 post Covid. Well done to all the NHS medical staff. Nice cherry picking, there are 6.6 million on the current waiting list with 400K having been waiting over a year and 50K over 18 months. Well if you can't believe France 24 who can you believe? I obviously stand corrected. Why your remark ForumUser2
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