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Post by woolybanana on Aug 9, 2022 17:13:12 GMT 1
Total NHS staff cost is 56 billion, so we are taking about 20 billion for non-productive workers. Not forgetting that chains tend to be only as strong as their weakest links. so much for KISS en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockchain. Let us be reasonable; many of them are unproductive, underproductive and expensive to keep for the taxpayer. Like weeds, once in place they are damned difficult to get rid of. Perhaps if there was a budget for front line staff and one for admin staff. If front line want or need more money then admin has to be reduced. I think the word is culled. I suspect that the Ministry of Health is a good place to start!
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Post by Nifty on Aug 9, 2022 17:34:03 GMT 1
Starting at the top of the pile.
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Post by woolybanana on Aug 9, 2022 17:40:22 GMT 1
Well, Civil Servants in the dept of Health would be a good start; give them a target to reduce their service by without loss of efficiency. If they dont manage it, no pay rise? I understand the UK pensions service is a public private partnership; how well has that worked?
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Post by hal on Aug 9, 2022 18:05:42 GMT 1
On the news this morning that the 22,000 folk waiting for treatment on the NHS for more than 2 years has been reduced to 168 post Covid. Well done to all the NHS medical staff. You say you are not Bald Eagle, so, you have to be one of those ministers they trot out every morning to lie to the poor public, yes?
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Post by ForumUser2 on Aug 9, 2022 18:07:49 GMT 1
On the news this morning that the 22,000 folk waiting for treatment on the NHS for more than 2 years has been reduced to 168 post Covid. Well done to all the NHS medical staff. You say you are not Bald Eagle, so, you have to be one of those ministers they trot out every morning to lie to the poor public, yes? Feeding the troll again.
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Post by Seaboots on Aug 9, 2022 18:46:09 GMT 1
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Post by exile on Aug 9, 2022 19:30:53 GMT 1
Let us be reasonable; many of them are unproductive, underproductive and expensive to keep for the taxpayer. Like weeds, once in place they are damned difficult to get rid of. Perhaps if there was a budget for front line staff and one for admin staff. If front line want or need more money then admin has to be reduced. I think the word is culled. I suspect that the Ministry of Health is a good place to start! Lets us be very reasonable. 1. You have not worked in or near the NHS - by your own admissions. 2. You therefore do not really know what goes on in the NHS. You rely and repeat sound bites from the press - mainly Murdoch's press. If you are looking for an organisation requiring a massive cull perhaps there is a good point to start. 3. It is easy to blame "management". Unions have done it for years - sometimes with cause, sometimes without. 4. These unproductive and underproductive souls managed - no not managed, organised from top to bottom - the handling of the UK's Covid vaccination program. But Hey, we don't need people like that doing nothing all day. 5. Yes the do cost money. Whether they are expensive or not will always be a matter of judgement. 6. Good judgement is based on starting with an open rather than empty mind.
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Post by tim17 on Aug 9, 2022 19:37:39 GMT 1
I might be wrong but I thought many of the NHS managers were actually former 'frontline' staff and they were given the job because they were judged to have the best understanding of how the organisation works plus of course they had years of relevant experience.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2022 19:56:34 GMT 1
The figures I was quoting are for people waiting for over two years. tim17's figures are for folk up to 18 months on the waiting list. Basically we are both correct.
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Post by ForumUser2 on Aug 9, 2022 21:01:27 GMT 1
I might be wrong but I thought many of the NHS managers were actually former 'frontline' staff and they were given the job because they were judged to have the best understanding of how the organisation works plus of course they had years of relevant experience. I think you are doing that thing that the uninformed and over-opinionated hate. You are talking sense.
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Post by woolybanana on Aug 9, 2022 21:30:11 GMT 1
A substantial dose of new blood is essential otherwise any organisation goes sterile.
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Post by tim17 on Aug 10, 2022 6:00:49 GMT 1
If the population's general health was improved then the NHS wouldn't be under so much pressure.
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Post by Nifty on Aug 10, 2022 7:34:48 GMT 1
Re post Aug 9 2022 at 8:30pm hvm likes this
Let us be crystal clear. Nifty did not say.
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Post by woolybanana on Aug 10, 2022 11:52:47 GMT 1
Anyway, the current problems of the over administered, top heavy NHS may soon be dwarfed by the shortage of GPs, dentists, nurses, specialists and the rest, as well as the deliberate bed blocking by local authorities who should be heavily fined if the do so.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2022 12:02:30 GMT 1
Re post Aug 9 2022 at 8:30pm hvm likes this Let us be crystal clear. Nifty did not say. I saw that. That was what I liked. Also I liked your response because you mentioned me and blanked the authors. Because that was fair. 🤣🤣🤣
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