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Post by Nifty on Aug 12, 2022 14:09:14 GMT 1
WB wrote - ‘ Most Tories value the NHS as much as anyone else but are beginning to wonder if the current model with its open money drain is affordable. Selling it off is not and has never been a serious option, just a bogeyman put up by the Left. ‘
He looks to be very sure of himself. I wonder why?
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Post by Le-Dolly on Aug 12, 2022 14:49:32 GMT 1
I just heard on the wireless some nonsense about setting up virtual wards, that's a bed in your own house.
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Post by Nifty on Aug 13, 2022 6:56:52 GMT 1
Anything is possible in a virtual world.
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Post by Nifty on Aug 13, 2022 8:29:52 GMT 1
Even if you take out the Cliniques, the CHU has 1729 beds. Swindon has 400. You can't get away from the facts. The UK spends less on health and social care than it's European neighbours. I wonder which government spends its resources most effectively on itself and for the benefit of the population that it has political control over?
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Post by spectrum on Aug 13, 2022 10:38:44 GMT 1
I just heard on the wireless some nonsense about setting up virtual wards, that's a bed in your own house. I can think of some nice virtual nurses to tend me then
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2022 10:51:05 GMT 1
Is the number of beds the best measure? What about per capita number of nurses, GPs/MT'S, Specialists, MRI/IRM scanners, dentists, ophthalmologists and so on? And more important than all that, outcomes?
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Post by mangetout on Aug 13, 2022 10:55:38 GMT 1
There is no outcome if you can't get treated because of a lack of beds.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2022 11:03:19 GMT 1
Yes there are.
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Post by mangetout on Aug 13, 2022 11:40:56 GMT 1
Exactly.
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Post by leclairon on Aug 13, 2022 17:18:02 GMT 1
Mangetout - am really interested in the hospital/clinic stats re Angers. Can you tell me where you found the stats please? We are thinking/hoping of moving if we downsize and, in keeping with our age, would be interested in the health facilities in any area we looked at. Also, would be interested in seeing how the city CHU and cancer hospital we use at the moment fares, for which we have no complaints at all.
The hospital bed situation you quote in a town not far from my original home town in the UK is quite scary. We feel very fortunate to be receiving treatment in France.
In any case, I think I saw that Angers rated high as one of the most desirable places to live in France!
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Post by mangetout on Aug 13, 2022 17:52:48 GMT 1
Look at chu angers, Cliniques Joseph, Leonard and Anjou. Then search ICO, Angers. My husband has been seriously ill on a number of occasions, including cancer twice, and we have received excellent treatment.
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Post by mangetout on Aug 13, 2022 19:25:13 GMT 1
I forgot to say, I wouldn't recommend Hopital Saumur or clinique Loire at Saumur.
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Post by leclairon on Aug 13, 2022 20:58:27 GMT 1
Thankyou Mangetout. Interesting. We have also had excellent treatment in Caen but, similarly, would not recommend the nearby hospitals. Maybe you have to be local to a big CHU and specialist cancer hospital. Logically, I suppose they may get the most funding and attract the best staff and facilities.
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Post by Nifty on Aug 14, 2022 9:21:44 GMT 1
So called Private treatment Centers are funded by Central Governent via the charges to patients and they work in conjunction with so called private taxi companies who are funded in a similar way. This is orchestrated by so called state and private insurance companies. Bloody confusing to non cognoscenti.
btw This post limited to what I think about French health services. I know nothing about the facts of the NHS.
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Post by woolybanana on Aug 14, 2022 13:09:56 GMT 1
The NHS has become unbalanced, surely? As the number and availability of GPs and surgeries diminishes so the population turns to AnE for treatment for relatively minor matters which clogs up the service. And the ageing population has not been fully factored into the equation. There was already enough to do without the covid pressures for which,again, it was not set up. The worst example is the failure of procurement of kit by, perhaps, departments not ready or able to react fast enough, leading ministers to panic somewhat,mbut then who wouldnt.
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