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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2022 12:12:19 GMT 1
As a ferry builder you need to read a little more! Even the French have admitted that the problem was that their teams were apparently delayed by a problem in the Tunnel and so arrived at least an hour late which caused a build up of traffic. They have not yet admitted that they miscalculated the number of checkers needed. By the way the French have never allowed the Brits to check passports for them. Name calling is childish and immature limp d*ck 😃
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Post by pcpa on Jul 23, 2022 12:14:20 GMT 1
Funny how when a topic that allows people to vent, in this case wrongly, about Brexit appears the forum is a hive of activity! French border contrôles have always been on UK soil, their staff have always commuted to work from France, they have always been short handed during summer and most of the time just wave people through, that has happened to me every time I have travelled this year and my passport has never been stamped, I dont even have a carte de séjour any more having lost my wallet with all my bank cards, ID cards, carte vitale etc. All of these regular seasonal shortages have been exacerbated by Covid and the fact that it is now thankfully very widespread, its very very easy to have a free break in sunny weather by saying that you have symptoms or are a case contact, that applies in both countries. Have you seen how many empty shelves there are in any shop that you go to? - that's because of Brexit
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Post by elsie on Jul 23, 2022 12:41:25 GMT 1
It was the Le Touquet treaty, signed on 4 February 2003, which established "juxtaposed controls" at the maritime border in Channel and North Sea ports. Before the 2004 implementation UK border checks were done in the UK and French border checks in France. The treaty has resulted in the migrant camps in Calais as it prevents migrants from claiming asylum in the UK. THat cannot usuallu be done unless the migrant has reached the UK border or are already in the UK. There was discussion during the recent French elections about cancelling the treaty (two years notice) inews.co.uk/news/long-reads/le-touquet-treaty-affects-refugees-calais-19847The passport stamping is part of the checks on the 90-in-180 day rules for Schengen visitors. If you have a right to live in France your passport should not be stamped. Passport stamping will be replaced by the Entry/Exit System (EES) which is due to be implemented in Oct 2022 (delayed from May 2022). That will cause even more processing delays as everyone in a vehicle will need to scan passports/fingers/face. Whether that means everyone getting out of a car, an official passing a tablet to everyone in vehicle for registration is still not known.
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Post by lapourtaider on Jul 23, 2022 12:47:23 GMT 1
Newhaven - Dieppe the french border controls are in France.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2022 12:50:01 GMT 1
Limpy D if you could count even with all the French passport booths manned you would still have delays. You got your blue passport and control of the borders back.
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Post by cernunnos on Jul 23, 2022 13:05:08 GMT 1
It was the Le Touquet treaty, signed on 4 February 2003, which established "juxtaposed controls" at the maritime border in Channel and North Sea ports. Before the 2004 implementation UK border checks were done in the UK and French border checks in France.
Lets hope that the " new British PM" doesn't upset the French government too much , that they cancel the Le Touquet treaty!
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Post by elsie on Jul 23, 2022 13:12:38 GMT 1
Newhaven - Dieppe the french border controls are in France. They are not Channel and North Sea ports and are not covered by treaty
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Post by woolybanana on Jul 23, 2022 13:13:09 GMT 1
Limpy D if you could count even with all the French passport booths manned you would still have delays. You got your blue passport and control of the borders back. My dear ferry builder, you began the name calling, not me. The French have fukd up, just accept it and move on to the next ruin!
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Post by woolybanana on Jul 23, 2022 13:15:41 GMT 1
It was the Le Touquet treaty, signed on 4 February 2003, which established "juxtaposed controls" at the maritime border in Channel and North Sea ports. Before the 2004 implementation UK border checks were done in the UK and French border checks in France. The treaty has resulted in the migrant camps in Calais as it prevents migrants from claiming asylum in the UK. THat cannot usuallu be done unless the migrant has reached the UK border or are already in the UK. There was discussion during the recent French elections about cancelling the treaty (two years notice) inews.co.uk/news/long-reads/le-touquet-treaty-affects-refugees-calais-19847The passport stamping is part of the checks on the 90-in-180 day rules for Schengen visitors. If you have a right to live in France your passport should not be stamped. Passport stamping will be replaced by the Entry/Exit System (EES) which is due to be implemented in Oct 2022 (delayed from May 2022). That will cause even more processing delays as everyone in a vehicle will need to scan passports/fingers/face. Whether that means everyone getting out of a car, an official passing a tablet to everyone in vehicle for registration is still not known. So, there will have to be more checking booths open on the French ‘side’, if they are capable of doing it instead of sitting around doing sod all at the ports.
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Post by beejay on Jul 23, 2022 13:41:27 GMT 1
French border contrôles have always been on UK soil, their staff have always commuted to work from France, they have always been short handed during summer and most of the time just wave people through, that has happened to me every time I have travelled this year and my passport has never been stamped, I dont even have a carte de séjour any more having lost my wallet with all my bank cards, ID cards, carte vitale etc.
What evidence do you have that " most of the time they wave all people through" as you see only what happens to a few during your brief wait in the check point queue?
You may make numerous trips but that doesn't support your statement. You know very well that passports have to be inspected and, if necessary, stamped and we know why your yours doesn't require stamping. Whether a French registered car is sufficient reason not to inspect a passport seems unlikely but the lack of a CdS should certainly require a passport check.
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Post by beejay on Jul 23, 2022 14:40:44 GMT 1
It's the same old " blame game " Only one country to blame , that one that left the EU . The situation at Dover is back to how it was before the UK joined the EU , a lot have forgotten that, and were used to just riding on and off the ferry . Dover port is too small to accomodate the passengers having to wait that want to board the ferries. Decrease the number of ferries to suit te time-flow. Why should the EU ( French ) accomodate the British trying to cross the channel all in one go ? The French Douanes don't worry about making people wait , they see it as their duty
Dover town is too small to accommodate the terminals it now has. In the event of delays traffic backs up into the town centre. A marshalling area at the top of Jubilee Way would make it easy to control the flow into the port area.
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Post by Polarengineer on Jul 23, 2022 14:41:17 GMT 1
The French immigration staff got the idea from the Brits, it's called "working from home".
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Post by exile on Jul 23, 2022 14:45:18 GMT 1
beejay It is part of the natural assumption process that we are all prone to. How many times have you been driving down the motorway at close to the 130 limit and a German register car wizzes past. The natural reaction is something like, "Bl**dy German drivers" but in reality you have no idea of the nationality of the driver. If that does not apply, I am sure you can find equivalent situations.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2022 15:11:52 GMT 1
Limpy D if you could count even with all the French passport booths manned you would still have delays. You got your blue passport and control of the borders back. My dear ferry builder, you began the name calling, not me. The French have fukd up, just accept it and move on to the next ruin! The next ruin, I'm not on complete France.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2022 15:42:36 GMT 1
Obviously it is ze fault of ze French because after all Brrexeet means Brrexeet, non? Why on earth should France mitigate Britain's massive faux pas? I know it is extremely unlikely but wouldn't it be comforting to think every single adult in those queues was a bought and paid for Brexiteer?
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