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Post by ForumUser2 on Jul 24, 2022 7:02:58 GMT 1
The people complaining that France's bloody mindedness is causing this crisis are, by and large, the same folk demanding Hadrian's wall be rebuilt (notwithstanding the geographical anomaly) to isolate a future independent country to the north of GB. Silly cookies, every one. Should Scotland actually get independence would the EU not insist (as a condition of joining) that there is a 'hard border'? CTA?
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Post by tim17 on Jul 24, 2022 7:11:42 GMT 1
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Post by ForumUser2 on Jul 24, 2022 7:51:02 GMT 1
There already is a border.
The British placed a border in Ireland over a century ago but the CTA and GFA have rendered it redundant in practical terms for the past quarter century. Seems to work, or did until the Brexit loons decided to start mucking about with a perfectly equable system.
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Post by hal on Jul 24, 2022 8:08:55 GMT 1
What could and should have been a heads up to travellers to allow for delays at Dover and perhaps a discussion of why it happened (delay on tunnel French border Police late to work) became something to be ashamed of.
I am certainly not ashamed of anything. Those, the democratic those, people stuck behind each other with their oversized uk stickers proudly slapped on ther rear-ends have cost me many hundreds of pounds already this year on import duties on car parts that they voted was a good idea, so believe me I hold them in low regard. It is now pay back time! I do though pity anyone returning home being caught up in the mess though. Maybe there should be a dedicated lane for these unfortunates.. . As to your discussion on why it happened - nothing to do with the French Police. They do not have to answer to anyone in brexitland. It was all the doing of the numbheads voting to cast the island adrift, pure and simple.
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Post by JohnnyD on Jul 24, 2022 9:00:39 GMT 1
Pierre-Henri Dumont on twitter…….
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Post by jackie on Jul 24, 2022 9:08:49 GMT 1
This thread would have been far more constructive and non adversarial without the following comments starting with the thread title: But I guess all those involved in making Britain great again have flown off to their villas in Tuscany for the holidays.
Team brexit wanted control of the borders and signed up for the public to get the same checks as Turks.
Only one country to blame , that one that left the EU .
Getting Brexit done. A sound bite. Freedom of movement. Not a sound bite. I hope that clears it up for the hard of thinking.
So they vote for brexit, want nothing to do with the EU and then start hollering because they cannot leave their island? What does brexitland expect?
I do not think the French owe brexitland anything. Four booths are manned you say? I ask why so many?
Obviously it is ze fault of ze French because after all Brrexeet means Brrexeet, non?
Why on earth should France mitigate Britain's massive faux pas? I know it is extremely unlikely but wouldn't it be comforting to think every single adult in those queues was a bought and paid for Brexiteer?
And of course the Brexiteers will blame the EU for needing to get a 7€ visa from later this year.
Queues, strikes, shortages, r̶i̶c̶k̶e̶t̶s̶ covid. Ah, the good old days. Brexit delivers?
So what if a few brexitland folk cannot get off their island? And who cares anyway?
Why can you numbheads not get it into your skulls that you voted to leave the security of the EU and now this what it is like facing the big wide world.
I just love the thinking that Brits travelling abroad should not be subject to stringent border checks by the nasty ‘bloody-minded’ and ‘wilful’ EU but Johnny Foreigner coming from abroad should be as isn’t it oh so great that Freedom of Movement has been abolished, forgetting to mention that it worked both ways. Skewed Brexit mentality at its best…
Try and get it through the lump of bone that is supposedly protecting a brain.
I can remember when French forums were places for discussions (OK often robust) and helping others, now they seem to be used to vent frustrations and for hurling abuse, as much as I hope that Mark is recovering well I hope he does not get to see what has become of his forum.
What could and should have been a heads up to travellers to allow for delays at Dover and perhaps a discussion of why it happened (delay on tunnel French border Police late to work) became something to be ashamed of.
The thread didn’t go quite the way YOU wanted then? Your arguments (such as they were) didn’t stand up and you don’t like it. I find it difficult to believe anyone is still surprised that any discussion involving Brexit is bound to get a bit heated .
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Post by JohnnyD on Jul 24, 2022 9:10:23 GMT 1
For those who have twitter blocked......
Pierre-Henri Dumont says......
No need to blame French authorities for the traffic jams in #Dover: that’s an aftermath of #Brexit. We have to run more and longer checks.
The British government rejected few months ago a proposal to double the number of passport booths given to the French Police in Dover.
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Post by landmannnn on Jul 24, 2022 9:31:04 GMT 1
This thread would have been far more constructive and non adversarial without the following comments starting with the thread title: But I guess all those involved in making Britain great again have flown off to their villas in Tuscany for the holidays.
Team brexit wanted control of the borders and signed up for the public to get the same checks as Turks.
Only one country to blame , that one that left the EU .
Getting Brexit done. A sound bite. Freedom of movement. Not a sound bite. I hope that clears it up for the hard of thinking.
So they vote for brexit, want nothing to do with the EU and then start hollering because they cannot leave their island? What does brexitland expect?
I do not think the French owe brexitland anything. Four booths are manned you say? I ask why so many?
Obviously it is ze fault of ze French because after all Brrexeet means Brrexeet, non?
Why on earth should France mitigate Britain's massive faux pas? I know it is extremely unlikely but wouldn't it be comforting to think every single adult in those queues was a bought and paid for Brexiteer?
And of course the Brexiteers will blame the EU for needing to get a 7€ visa from later this year.
Queues, strikes, shortages, r̶i̶c̶k̶e̶t̶s̶ covid. Ah, the good old days. Brexit delivers?
So what if a few brexitland folk cannot get off their island? And who cares anyway?
Why can you numbheads not get it into your skulls that you voted to leave the security of the EU and now this what it is like facing the big wide world.
I just love the thinking that Brits travelling abroad should not be subject to stringent border checks by the nasty ‘bloody-minded’ and ‘wilful’ EU but Johnny Foreigner coming from abroad should be as isn’t it oh so great that Freedom of Movement has been abolished, forgetting to mention that it worked both ways. Skewed Brexit mentality at its best…
Try and get it through the lump of bone that is supposedly protecting a brain.
I can remember when French forums were places for discussions (OK often robust) and helping others, now they seem to be used to vent frustrations and for hurling abuse, as much as I hope that Mark is recovering well I hope he does not get to see what has become of his forum.
What could and should have been a heads up to travellers to allow for delays at Dover and perhaps a discussion of why it happened (delay on tunnel French border Police late to work) became something to be ashamed of.
Nothing stopping you creating a thread called "A heads up for cross channel travellers" if you don't like this one
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2022 9:49:49 GMT 1
The people complaining that France's bloody mindedness is causing this crisis are, by and large, the same folk demanding Hadrian's wall be rebuilt (notwithstanding the geographical anomaly) to isolate a future independent country to the north of GB. Silly cookies, every one. Should Scotland actually get independence would the EU not insist (as a condition of joining) that there is a 'hard border'? I wouldn't think so. A common travel area already exists the British Isles. The protocols of that could easily be adapted as has already been done in the withdrawal agreement. Of course the efficacy of that is reliant on each side fulfilling it's obligations.
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Post by Nifty on Jul 24, 2022 10:01:44 GMT 1
‘ there is a 'hard border ‘
Would that be the Nigerian boarder who was staying with Johnny’s mum ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2022 10:21:04 GMT 1
The man quoted has as much clout as you or I and the newspaper, despite it's name, is overtly anti independence. One day pragmatism will return to Fraggle Rock as a matter of necessity. Am I going to far if I ask, is building building borders, barriers and obstructions a national obsession?
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Post by lindalovely on Jul 24, 2022 10:23:28 GMT 1
Well a couple of days into the holiday rush, all custom booths fully staffed, and there are still queues although only 3 hours now and not the 6 hours there were on Friday. However for the lorry drivers they are still queuing 12 hours plus along the M20, so no relief for them.
The fact that the first thing the UK did was blame the French is probably the most disgraceful thing. Anyone who has ever had the misfortune to have to cross the channel during peak school holidays could easily have predicted this, as even before the increased checks required since brexit, there were very often long delays. A cancelled crossing for example, or the automatic barriers out of action would usually mean 2-3 hours wait. So the whole thing was a management problem for the Port of Dover and the town itself right from the start. What was done? A request to expand the port of Dover and double the number of booths for French customs staff was rejected in 2020 by the British Government. A small amount of money was allocated at the last minute to provide more booths for the French customs staff and I read they were only actually in place relatively recently..but they were there and are now fully operational. The problem is Dover port does not seem to have the infrastructure to cope with the increased delays. Vehicles can't be accommodated in the port itself and so have to back up along the roads of the town.
Other crossings such as Newhaven - Dieppe are apparently running smoothly. The full introduction of customs checks and checking of passports when entering the EU from the UK was due to be fully implemented from July, having been delayed from March already. It's worth bearing in mind that the Dover-Calais crossing is used by many people transiting France to go to other European destinations, so France operates the Schengen border on behalf of the the rest of the EU, not just for the few British Tourists that want to drive down to their rented villas.
The whole thing is a mess but it always was going to be until people got serious about the consequences of leaving the EU for travel. It doesn't help that thick Lizzie is trying to appeal to her voters by blaming their most hated enemy "The French". Fortunately the French politicians have seen through this pretty easily (as have most people) and don't seem to have been too triggered.
The moral is, if at all possible, avoid travelling during school holidays!
On another note. I see that the providers of the Passport Helpline, for those trying to renew their UK passports, are in fact a French multinational company, who are not meeting their targets. However, as it is a private contract, like those for PPE, the UK government can do very little to sort it out, other than to ask nicely and give them more money. I think if the UK really wanted to take back control they shouldn't have voted Tory. Only got themselves to blame really.
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Post by exile on Jul 24, 2022 10:53:30 GMT 1
While not arguing with the facts Linda. I don't really think you can compare Newhaven sailings (3 per day) with Dover sailings (45 per day).
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Post by Nifty on Jul 24, 2022 11:35:48 GMT 1
‘ is building building borders, barriers and obstructions a national obsession? ‘
All part of the Divide and Rule game that the English cottoned on to in the days of few competitors in their triangular trade. The wheel kept turning and now that the Russians have found a place in The House of Lords and and te Chinese are full members it looks like they are going to bite the asses of their former masters and the proletariat of the Brits are about to have their orifices obstructed and learn what it is to be rough trade.
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’ doesn't help that thick Lizzie is trying to appeal to her voters by blaming their most hated enemy "The French". Fortunately the French politicians have seen through this pretty easily (as have most people) and don't seem to have been too triggered.‘
Not to mention that she is also seems to have trouble with words of more than four letters and phrases of more than four words and is a hopeless actor. WTF she is doing where she is is beyond my imagination.
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Post by woolybanana on Jul 24, 2022 12:21:25 GMT 1
The point is being missed here; the French were hauled over the coals for their disastrous mismanagement of the Liverpool footballers in Paris with the minister Darmanin particularly vilified for blaming them and not the French police. The chaos at Dover and Folkestone, caused largely by lack of French staff on duty is his or their petty revenge, but also shows lack of competence. Has it deliberately been set up by the minister who is reputed to be very anti- British? Not beyond the realms of possibility. Caused by Brexit, I doubt it; remember that the UK was never in the Schengen zone and passport controls could always be applied. I cross the Channel more than most mainly through the Tunnel and there has been a definite increase in delays caused by bottlenecks going through passport checks, caused by a lack of French staff.
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