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Post by pcpa on Sept 1, 2022 22:47:11 GMT 1
I know that purchases from the UK now attract TVA, imports duties, admin charges etc and logically China also being non EU should be the same but its never happened before.
Also most if not all the listings have gone up in price because they now include TVA to be paid to the country of delivery.
I have had a long delay with the order for 2 batteries for my old Nokia phone cost €3.36 each including TVA, today I recieved another parcel, mosquito coil holders that did not attract and charges but also a La Poste form to collect a delivery which I believe to be the batteries, as the facteur leaves everything else in the boîte à lettres I looked carefully and it says I have to pay €9 to recieve the package but not what it is for.
I won't be paying it but will be going along to see what package it is and what is the explanation for the charge.
I have 2 other orders (which have been grouped for delivery) just small plastic guy line tensioners (tendeurs de hauban) similar value and I see that they both have been through and delayed by customs inspections.
Anyone else had to pay import fees for Chinese goods?
It could be the end of Ali Express, Wish etc in France.
I really thought the duties and TVA issues had been sewn up.
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Post by exile on Sept 1, 2022 23:27:01 GMT 1
The rules have recently changed. Most major on line auction / shop sites now collect the VAT for the EU country where the package is delivered but some sellers are not directly in the system even though they sell through the platform. Typically Ebay use the GSP to cover shipping and taxes but some sellers are still shipping independently and those goods should attract VAT plus a charge from the company collecting the VAT on behalf of the delivery country. This has been progressive and probably in a coupe of years time all sellers will have to sell through the platforms' tax collection system.
The other change is that small value packages (from memory less than €42 in France) did not attract VAT charges that has now reduced to zero. So your low value batteries will now attract 20% VAT on the price plus the shipping. The 9€ is a collection fee from La Poste - although I do not understand their charges. I have been charged €8 at the door and offered by internet to pay 2€ and 3€ prior to delivery or respectively 8€ and 5€ at the door.
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Post by hal on Sept 2, 2022 10:10:06 GMT 1
You are right that small goods from Ali Express and ebay via China were not charged VAT, and that recently it has been creeping in. I posted quite recently on being charged TVA and admin on my tickets for Goodwood Revival. I am now accustomed to paying 3% duty , admin and TVA on car parts from brexitland, and even quoted a 7% duty plus TVA on a secondhand car the other day from brexitland. I just wonder if the authorities have seen how lucrative it is to impose these charges, that suddenly Chinese goods that came in under a blind eye are now scrutinised for tax. It is very suspicious that only now, tax applies to all goods and we no longer have a free band for presents etc... I blame it all on brexit numbheads opening up `pandorra's box
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Post by Aardvark on Sept 2, 2022 10:33:23 GMT 1
Historically I have been buying a lot of small items from China and never been hit for any charges at the door. If I'm up against extra charges without knowing what they will be (up front) I will stop buying stuff from outside the EU. Equally if I'm hit with an extra fee by the Poste for collecting extra money at the door it will no longer be cheaper to buy from abroad. Protectionism I guess.
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Post by omegal on Sept 2, 2022 11:03:24 GMT 1
There are rarely charges for low cost Ali Express items sent to France BUT beware bigger electrical items, France is determined to charge high fees against those. Electric bikes for example face very high charges: When buying e-bikes from China you'll be hit by anti-dumping duties of up to 62.1% and countervailing duties of 17.2% in addition to the standard import duty rating of 6% and then you face shipping charges and a visit to the douanes at the port, then a visit to the shipping company holding your e-bike. So what looks a cheap buy can soon look rather less a bargain than first thought.
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Post by pcpa on Sept 2, 2022 12:30:40 GMT 1
From what I have read above and others experiences it seems that post the abolition of the €42 tax free limit the Douanes or government are allowing La Poste to charge a flat rate of €9 and then settle the TVA out of that, the TVA on my order would amount to €1.36, were they to ask me for €1.36 taxe and €9 for their admin charge that would be more honest but they are adamant (because they swallow what they are told) that the €9 is taxe douanière.
Were I asked to pay €1.36 on line to recieve the colis I would have done, having checked the order price did indeed include TVA to be paid in the EU but that could be a scam in itself.
So probably child labour was used to mine the lithium and other rare metals used in the fabrication of said batteries, probably in another sweatshop, they have travelled half way round the world to never get used and to end up in the bin.
I'm fairly confident that no-one in La Poste will have an 18 year old dumb phone to use them in.
La Poste needs all the help it can get, the volume of letters delivered must have dropped by over 95% and they may soon lose the only thing propping them up, delivering le publicité, but they wont be getting €9 from me for this package.
I have a couple of others in the system, I will wait and see what happens with them.
I reckon the Douanes look at the content and take a view on whether the recipient will accept being screwed out of €9 to recieve them, if not then they just send it through for delivery with no action.
They have already worked out that any parcel from the UK with a birthday card won't be refused for €9, exactly the view that they took with Hals Goodwood Revival tickets.
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Post by pcpa on Sept 2, 2022 12:33:13 GMT 1
I blame it all on brexit numbheads opening up `pandorra's box I didn't think it would be long before Brexit or Boris Johnson would be blamed for import tarifs between China and France
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Post by pcpa on Sept 2, 2022 12:38:33 GMT 1
France is determined to charge high fees against those. Electric bikes for example face very high charges: When buying e-bikes from China you'll be hit by anti-dumping duties of up to 62.1% and countervailing duties of 17.2% in addition to the standard import duty rating of 6% It might be that lithium batteries face that or another anti dumping duty and with the taxes on taxes could total a similar figure but the €9 seems to be the standard charge from La Poste. I have a really good facteur here at the new place, we were discussing the package this morning, I reckon he might be amenable to losing future packages requiring payment, I will see him right with an étrenne this December.
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Post by Le-Dolly on Sept 2, 2022 13:31:15 GMT 1
France is determined to charge high fees against those. Electric bikes for example face very high charges: When buying e-bikes from China you'll be hit by anti-dumping duties of up to 62.1% and countervailing duties of 17.2% in addition to the standard import duty rating of 6% It might be that lithium batteries face that or another anti dumping duty and with the taxes on taxes could total a similar figure but the €9 seems to be the standard charge from La Poste. I have a really good facteur here at the new place, we were discussing the package this morning, I reckon he might be amenable to losing future packages requiring payment, I will see him right with an étrenne this December. I also have a very good and dependable facteur and he indeed has 'lost' several packages for me. I order a couple of LP's a month from the UK some of which have been surcharged 16€ each. Since I have spoken to our facteur three of four months ago I have only been charged for the delivery of two. I tend to give an étrenne every month or so (obviously below what I would have expected to pay in 'fees', he is a happy bunny.
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Post by Aardvark on Sept 2, 2022 17:32:07 GMT 1
etrenne is a new one on me. Google translates it as "bestowal". I still haven't a clue.
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Post by flober on Sept 2, 2022 17:41:14 GMT 1
its a gift usually given at christmas or new year
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Post by Aardvark on Sept 2, 2022 20:47:36 GMT 1
~Thanks for that.
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Post by pcpa on Sept 2, 2022 21:07:48 GMT 1
Sorry about that, I realise now that if there is a word in English I have long since forgotten it, "tip" perhaps?
Editted, it has come to me now, "Christmas Box"
Glad I am not being asked by a French person to explain why its called a box!
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Post by Aardvark on Sept 3, 2022 10:17:37 GMT 1
Possibly some historical reference to a box containing a few farthings annually donated by the rich elite given to the starving poor. Doing no more good than salving their version of a conscience.
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Post by another on Sept 3, 2022 13:26:59 GMT 1
I order from AliExpress quite frequently and have had no issues here in Spain.
Are you using the "Ships From" option?
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