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Post by woolybanana on Sept 9, 2022 11:39:00 GMT 1
Such a pity that the end of her life was so lonely; I think she missed Philip very much. And as for Harry who has let everyone down including himself with his woeful wife and abandonment of his duty, it must have caused her much pain. Plus deliberately not letting her see his kids, vicious.
As for getting rid of the Monarchy, well, the alternatives look pretty dire; President Blair, Farage, no thank you, Charles 3 is a better bet.
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Post by houpla on Sept 9, 2022 13:50:31 GMT 1
Time for a change ? Why cut off the heads of those that were elected ?
Change to a system where the lying, cheating politician with the most press and media in his pocket becomes the head of the country? Where it's becoming standard for said politician to be impeached for his dishonesty as soon as he stands down or is pushed out? As for point two, see above The few who still bother to vote do so because an illusion of democracy is all we've got left. Following the lead of the USA, it's a publicity circus (and media manipulation) around the ambitious clown/actor who is likely to do the least harm to the country and it's populace.
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Post by hal on Sept 9, 2022 13:52:41 GMT 1
And I am sure her favourite caused her some, if only, financial grief! But you are right. She did everything to steer a straight course and was let down by all and sundry. Coming back from Toulouse at lunch on the train, there were four students from Oxford opposite talking about the subject and drawing on history as they were taught it. Very interesting hearing their conclusions - all agreed the Queen was a beacon on the world stage, but that Charles is far too old and no way would/could he get the young on side. They were not sure on his and Camilla's role in the downfall of Diana as they all had different interpretations of the history, but generally agreed that regardless, it all sounded 'typical Windsor family'
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Post by houpla on Sept 9, 2022 13:57:38 GMT 1
Breeding will out.... And as for Harry who has let everyone down including himself with his woeful wife and abandonment of his duty, it must have caused her much pain. Plus deliberately not letting her see his kids, vicious.
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Post by ForumUser2 on Sept 9, 2022 14:54:03 GMT 1
Agreed. Now we will have weeks of eulogies and documentaries surrounding her life, her death, her funeral, the new King, and endless soundbites with weeping people in the street. Is watching it compulsory?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2022 16:25:52 GMT 1
I just hope he brings back beheading. When he's finished with the politicians, I could furnish him with a helpful list He should be the first , same as no 1 charles Harsh.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2022 16:37:49 GMT 1
Such a pity that the end of her life was so lonely; I think she missed Philip very much. And as for Harry who has let everyone down including himself with his woeful wife and abandonment of his duty, it must have caused her much pain. Plus deliberately not letting her see his kids, vicious. As for getting rid of the Monarchy, well, the alternatives look pretty dire; President Blair, Farage, no thank you, Charles 3 is a better bet. Lazy thinking again. Why does it always have to be President "extremely unpopular character"? That plus your Prince Harry comments betrays the fact that you are heavily influenced by newspaper editors choice of public enemy. Think for yourself. Research stuff, you'll be enlightened.
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Post by woolybanana on Sept 9, 2022 17:01:43 GMT 1
Rather patronising aren’t you or do you have a monopoly on knowledge. In which case, off to your planet, Petit Prince and govern a sheep.
Well, unless I knew him and his life in detail which none of us does, I could not have an opinion. Is that what you are saying? Sounds like serious control freakery to me. Ah yes, 1984 springs to mind.
As to possible presidents, I can think of noone who might fit the bill except perhaps Kenneth Clarke.
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Post by jackie on Sept 9, 2022 17:48:52 GMT 1
Such a pity that the end of her life was so lonely; I think she missed Philip very much. And as for Harry who has let everyone down including himself with his woeful wife and abandonment of his duty, it must have caused her much pain. Plus deliberately not letting her see his kids, vicious. As for getting rid of the Monarchy, well, the alternatives look pretty dire; President Blair, Farage, no thank you, Charles 3 is a better bet. Oh for goodness sake do you really believe all the rubbish hearsay and supposition churned out by the right wing press? Misogynistic claptrap with more than a hint of racist overtones.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2022 17:49:27 GMT 1
Rather patronising aren’t you or do you have a monopoly on knowledge. In which case, off to your planet, Petit Prince and govern a sheep. Well, unless I knew him and his life in detail which none of us does, I could not have an opinion. Is that what you are saying? Sounds like serious control freakery to me. Ah yes, 1984 springs to mind. As to possible presidents, I can think of noone who might fit the bill except perhaps Kenneth Clarke. First of all I'd question whether or not you know what patronising is because I certainly was not patronising you. You are correct however in saying none of us know him and also that we're all allowed an opinion on him. If you accept that then you must accept that those opinions must be neutral. Yours are based on the harm he is alleged to have done to his family because you and the media that influences you have an allegiance to that same family. You can't deny that, it's oozing out of you. This sentence, "Sounds like serious control freakery to me. Ah yes, 1984 springs to mind.", is, and excuse me for my bluntness, f###ing bollocks. If you're going to be clichéd, put some effort in. You're only living up to my assertion that you're a lazy thinker. There are 196 countries on this planet that don't have a president Blair, a president Farage, or even a Clarke. Most don't have a ruling monarchy and of those that do have a president, president is a ceremonial role. Archaic English rules do not have to apply. I think, in fact, they've absolutely been proven to not work.
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Post by cernunnos on Sept 9, 2022 18:09:17 GMT 1
Time for a change ? Why cut off the heads of those that were elected ?
Change to a system where the lying, cheating politician with the most press and media in his pocket becomes the head of the country? Where it's becoming standard for said politician to be impeached for his dishonesty as soon as he stands down or is pushed out? As for point two, see above The few who still bother to vote do so because an illusion of democracy is all we've got left. Following the lead of the USA, it's a publicity circus (and media manipulation) around the ambitious clown/actor who is likely to do the least harm to the country and it's populace. Yes , change the system that allows a political party to put their " mates" in safe seats and choses the leader of the country from their mates. P.M. out , should mean a general election, that should give proportional seats in the parliament . Keep the traditions and castles for the tourist value , but degrade the royal family a bit.
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Post by woolybanana on Sept 9, 2022 18:17:54 GMT 1
Such a pity that the end of her life was so lonely; I think she missed Philip very much. And as for Harry who has let everyone down including himself with his woeful wife and abandonment of his duty, it must have caused her much pain. Plus deliberately not letting her see his kids, vicious. As for getting rid of the Monarchy, well, the alternatives look pretty dire; President Blair, Farage, no thank you, Charles 3 is a better bet. Oh for goodness sake do you really believe all the rubbish hearsay and supposition churned out by the right wing press? Misogynistic claptrap with more than a hint of racist overtones. Jackie, what a sad reply. Dunno where you can see racism either unless you are one of those twerks who cannot see beyond racism in any comment which might concern a person of colour. Did I mention it, no I didnt. My beef is that the lady in question is unsuited in any number of ways. And, yes, he has abandoned his duty though I think he must regret it. Were he sincere he would dump the title, stop trading off it and become plain Harry Windsor. By the way, I seldom read the British press, preferring to concentrate on one subject basically.
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Post by ForumUser2 on Sept 9, 2022 18:23:15 GMT 1
While I am no monarchist, nor even a particular fanboy of Britain's peculiarly revisionist view of its own history, I concede that the late Queen stands as an example, perhaps THE example, of a Monarch who got it right. Be that a happy accident of birth or not she was a truly remarkable person who provided her Nation with a constancy and dignity that her elected ministers could never hope to achieve.
That some people have chosen this sad but momentous passing as yet another excuse to peddle partisan, reductive bollocks is shameful.
Maybe if you have nothing good to say you should say nothing - just retreat into your ignorance.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2022 18:24:48 GMT 1
Even as a republican I have no objection to Royal family continuing to exist, for as long as it wants. I do want an end to deference to it, an end to it's influence on public life and an end to any public funding whatsoever. What they can't afford, hand it over.
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Post by jackie on Sept 9, 2022 19:14:48 GMT 1
Oh for goodness sake do you really believe all the rubbish hearsay and supposition churned out by the right wing press? Misogynistic claptrap with more than a hint of racist overtones. Jackie, what a sad reply. Dunno where you can see racism either unless you are one of those twerks who cannot see beyond racism in any comment which might concern a person of colour. Did I mention it, no I didnt. My beef is that the lady in question is unsuited in any number of ways. And, yes, he has abandoned his duty though I think he must regret it. Were he sincere he would dump the title, stop trading off it and become plain Harry Windsor. By the way, I seldom read the British press, preferring to concentrate on one subject basically. Not sad at all. Your views are the ones that are sad made up rubbish. So where do your views on them come from then, that she is unsuitable and he has abandoned his duties? He admitted himself he got out due to the overwhelming negative media coverage about his choice of wife. Why is she unsuitable and what duties did he abandon? He was always just the spare. Do you know them personally? At least he hasn’t disgraced himself like Paedo Ponce Andrew. If you don’t know them then your views must be based on supposition.
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