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Post by traveller on Nov 8, 2022 10:40:54 GMT 1
Only tonight I heated a quiche. (To explain: OH is hors de combat so only easy stuff like salad, lasagne etc until she's better.) Now, the box said preheat oven to 180 and cook for 35 minutes. I just put it in the air dryer, in the foil tray it came in, for 10 mins. Perfect. So 45 minutes (inc warm up time) in 2.5 kwh oven versus 10 minutes in 1.35kwh air dryer. As our colonial cousins might put it: You do the math. Did it have a soggy bottom?
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Post by jardiniere on Nov 8, 2022 11:46:57 GMT 1
versus 10 minutes in 1.35kwh air dryer. I never thought about using my air dryer to heat a quiche! Very inventive.
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Post by annabellespapa on Nov 8, 2022 13:53:48 GMT 1
All of the reviews that I have read where they calculate the wattage used and cost are incorrect in that they do not take into account that the thermostat is cutting in and out (once up to temperature) so the actual power used is less. During the warm up time all ovens will be heating 100% so the saving in time with a halogen oven or air fryer is directly proportional to the saving in electric consumption, once cooking you cannot directy compare the times and estimate the electric consumption although I will say that the heating duty cycle of the smaller air fryers/halogen ovens is less than a domestic oven because the heat losses are less. The figures in the Telegraph review are completely wrong, they overestimate the consumption and energy cost for all the appliances tested and also the comparison cost for a standard oven. But there is no question that the counter top cookers use significantly less electricity than a traditional oven. That is one of my pet hates, when electric consumption is compared, and the person assumes that the appliance is permanently on for the duration. Yes my kettle does cost 63p per hour to run but it can heat 1/2 litre of water (enough for two drinks) in less than 2.5 minutes, so less than 2.6p. My Mom in her old age would boil a full kettle of hot water in the morning, have a cup of tea and put the rest in a thermos flask, a good idea you might think but when she wanted another cup of tea, she would heat the already boiled water in the microwave to get it boiling.
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Post by beejay on Nov 8, 2022 15:15:30 GMT 1
All of the reviews that I have read where they calculate the wattage used and cost are incorrect in that they do not take into account that the thermostat is cutting in and out (once up to temperature) so the actual power used is less. During the warm up time all ovens will be heating 100% so the saving in time with a halogen oven or air fryer is directly proportional to the saving in electric consumption, once cooking you cannot directy compare the times and estimate the electric consumption although I will say that the heating duty cycle of the smaller air fryers/halogen ovens is less than a domestic oven because the heat losses are less. The figures in the Telegraph review are completely wrong, they overestimate the consumption and energy cost for all the appliances tested and also the comparison cost for a standard oven. But there is no question that the counter top cookers use significantly less electricity than a traditional oven.
It's very easy to find how much power an electric appliance/device uses through its cycle by connecting it via a power meter. I have accumulated several over the years and know exactly how much power most of my appliances use.
Why reviews do not use such meters is surprising.
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Post by annabellespapa on Nov 8, 2022 15:42:37 GMT 1
It's very easy to find how much power an electric appliance/device uses through its cycle by connecting it via a power meter. I have accumulated several over the years and know exactly how much power most of my appliances use.
Why reviews do not use such meters is surprising.
It is but they either don't know how to or they want to manipulate the figures to prove their point, we have a smart meter, load it up with what you pay per kw hour (day and night) and it will tell you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 15:50:12 GMT 1
Air fryers aren't fryers at all, they are mini fan ovens Exactly. Bought ours to replace the oven, for cooking stuff which isn't oven-sized, and it has quickly become one of my most-used tools. (We also have an Instant Pot. That is much less tolerant of sloppy measuring!) So the air fryer is used for stir-fry (we got the Tefal one with a paddle in the lower chamber), both Chinese and other veg; chips and sautéed potatoes; finishing off baked potatoes after the microwave (because I like a roast skin); vegetarian Kievs; sausages and tofu; roast tomatoes; steak. Some of these wouldn't be my first choice - steak is better fried, for example - but it's very versatile.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 15:57:32 GMT 1
I have been using the old school predecessor to the Airfryer, a halogen cyclonic table top oven for over 15 years, ... in the 17 litre one ... [will] fit a medium pizza. ... Amanda has just a small piece of worktop I would be very interested in a device which would cook a pizza. Could you recommend a particular brand and have you really given a name to yours?
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Post by beejay on Nov 8, 2022 16:52:20 GMT 1
It's very easy to find how much power an electric appliance/device uses through its cycle by connecting it via a power meter. I have accumulated several over the years and know exactly how much power most of my appliances use.
Why reviews do not use such meters is surprising.
It is but they either don't know how to or they want to manipulate the figures to prove their point, we have a smart meter, load it up with what you pay per kw hour (day and night) and it will tell you.
I haven't (yet) had a smart meter installed but from what I read about them you cannot check power consumption of individual devices unless you are certain that no other equipment is using electricity. Considering fridges freezers etc are always connected checking a single item is not easily done whereas a power meter can do exactly that.
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Post by pcpa on Nov 8, 2022 21:10:44 GMT 1
I am mucking around with Domotique at the moment using devices from Loratap (other makes are available) that communicate with the Tuya Smart Life app, it started because I wanted a timer for the caravane electric heater that would come on from 8-10am to both get me out of bed and so I could wash, dress, prepare breakfast in the warm, it was cheaper than a fixed timer and had the advantage of being able to be switched by the phone or by voice command if that your bag (it's not my bag baby!).
Anyway having got into it I have now bought some other switching relays that are only a couple of Euros more but have a built in power monitor so you can see what the appliance uses in real time and over a week, month etc, of interest to me at present is how much the caravane heater and fridge are using.
Anyway back to measuring the consumption of air fryers, kettles or whatever they do ones that are a plug adaptor, you just plug it into the socket and plug the appliance in and you can monitor the consumption via the app and also see any voltage drop on the circuit, they only cost about €30 a pair so I will be getting some of them also, good to have around for when you need to know how much power is being used.
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Post by pcpa on Nov 8, 2022 21:15:00 GMT 1
I haven't (yet) had a smart meter installed but from what I read about them you cannot check power consumption of individual devices unless you are certain that no other equipment is using electricity. Considering fridges freezers etc are always connected checking a single item is not easily done whereas a power meter can do exactly that. I have been doing just that with the Linky meter, it can be done but you have to establish what the baseline load is before connecting the appliance and then doing a simple subtraction, it works but if you have devices switching on and off frequently like fridges the baseline figure could jump around, as my supply is currently 3 phase and I can see the power consumption on each phase its a little easier. Once I have these Domotique smart socket adaptors it will be very easy to do, no calculations and I will be able to get weekly & monthly figures which for something like a ballon or heater is what you really want to know.
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Post by jackie on Nov 8, 2022 21:16:27 GMT 1
Who would have it could be so complicated. Can’t make head nor tail of PCPA’s posts. Think I’ll just get a Ninja…..suspect elec consumption will be saved not really interested in the complexities of how much
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Post by pcpa on Nov 8, 2022 21:25:16 GMT 1
I have been using the old school predecessor to the Airfryer, a halogen cyclonic table top oven for over 15 years, ... in the 17 litre one ... [will] fit a medium pizza. ... Amanda has just a small piece of worktop I would be very interested in a device which would cook a pizza. Could you recommend a particular brand and have you really given a name to yours? Amanda was the contributor that said they only had a small piece of worktop, not the name of my halogen oven.
A couple of years ago I would not have recommended a brand and just said buy the cheapest, they are all much of a muchness, then I bought a branded Andrew James one with touch controls (which you really dont need at all) I bought it because then it was cheap, it had a lid hinge so I did not need to have a clear worktop space to place the hot lid when removing food what swung it was it came with a spare element, as mine get intensive use I found the elements were blowing every couple of years, cheap and easy to replace but better to have a spare on hand.
I actually found it was a better machine than the non branded ones and the element lasted twice as long so I would recommend it if its only say £15 more, bear in mind I have always paid £30/€35 for a halogen oven so in a different league from the (to me) overpriced air fryers.
I did buy one after being impressed using my friends one but I was dissapointed using it as for the stuff that I cook it was no better or quicker so I returned it, chips aside I dont think Air Fryers are any better and certainly do not warrant their price, they have however been very successfully marketted and promoted.
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Post by jackie on Nov 9, 2022 9:00:36 GMT 1
I would be very interested in a device which would cook a pizza. Could you recommend a particular brand and have you really given a name to yours? Amanda was the contributor that said they only had a small piece of worktop, not the name of my halogen oven.
A couple of years ago I would not have recommended a brand and just said buy the cheapest, they are all much of a muchness, then I bought a branded Andrew James one with touch controls (which you really dont need at all) I bought it because then it was cheap, it had a lid hinge so I did not need to have a clear worktop space to place the hot lid when removing food what swung it was it came with a spare element, as mine get intensive use I found the elements were blowing every couple of years, cheap and easy to replace but better to have a spare on hand.
I actually found it was a better machine than the non branded ones and the element lasted twice as long so I would recommend it if its only say £15 more, bear in mind I have always paid £30/€35 for a halogen oven so in a different league from the (to me) overpriced air fryers.
I did buy one after being impressed using my friends one but I was dissapointed using it as for the stuff that I cook it was no better or quicker so I returned it, chips aside I dont think Air Fryers are any better and certainly do not warrant their price, they have however been very successfully marketted and promoted.
Have you tried all the latest models out then?
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Post by Nifty on Nov 9, 2022 10:09:03 GMT 1
Only tonight I heated a quiche. (To explain: OH is hors de combat so only easy stuff like salad, lasagne etc until she's better.) Now, the box said preheat oven to 180 and cook for 35 minutes. I just put it in the air dryer, in the foil tray it came in, for 10 mins. Perfect. So 45 minutes (inc warm up time) in 2.5 kwh oven versus 10 minutes in 1.35kwh air dryer. As our colonial cousins might put it: You do the math. Did it have a soggy bottom? I am on the lookout for a piece of steel plate. Which if preheated in the oven to max temp might solve the problem of soggy bottoms. Not easy to come by in these parts.
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Post by annabellespapa on Nov 9, 2022 10:39:39 GMT 1
I am mucking around with Domotique at the moment using devices from Loratap (other makes are available) that communicate with the Tuya Smart Life app, We have just started with two electric radiant heaters with the Tuya Smart app, when we got off the ferry in Caen we switched on the heater in our open plan lounge/kitchen it tells us the current room temperature and then you can set your desired, two hours later when we arrived the chill was off the room. The heater cost under £100 and the app is free. Apologies for the thread drift but we have had a spate of burglaries in our area of Worcestershire, shed equipment etc but we looked into security cameras and settled on Tapo, they do a wifi camera that plugs in, with the memory card and the camera was just under £50, it will detect motion and separately just people and will record when either is triggered, really simple installation and plugged into a normal plug socket, installed and downloaded the Tapo app all done in under 30 minutes. So impressed we are getting one for our house in Brittany, not so much for security but for the wildlife. The Tapo app is very easy to use and we have also added some of their smart plugs, so we have lights that come on and off as we choose, their is also a holiday mode that puts the lights on and off randomly, which are controllable from the app, even away from home.
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