JohnnyD
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Mayenne (53) When Covid allows..........Which isn't very often these days........
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Post by JohnnyD on Nov 9, 2022 12:02:16 GMT 1
We are thinking of this kind of think for the Kitchen/Utility area, is it readily available in France, or should we bring it out from the UK?
Can I put wires in there directly, or does it need to be in that plastic curly stuff first?
JD
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Post by pcpa on Nov 9, 2022 12:25:02 GMT 1
Chacun à son gout I dont have my NF c 15-100 here but I'm fairly certain that single insulated conductors within a metallic conduit is a no-no especially in a kitchen. Have you ever cut and threaded a conduit before? Good luck with trying to pull a gaine through one and even if you could how would you assure the double insulation in the 3 way boxes shown on your photo? My pal went for a similar look in what he calls his clean room to the garage, more of a boundary/kitchen/shower room for guests in camping cars and myself when I squatted there in my caravan, he used the black plastic conduit and accessories which had to come from the UK, it looks OK and goes with the decoration but he could not find French prises en saillie which do justice to the look he was trying to achieve, a French equivalent to the UK 3 pin metalclad sockets as in your illustration would have done but could not be found. There have from time to time been pretend industrail look plastic ones on promo but you would need matching interrupteurs, sortie de cables etc hence a range of products, the French thankfully have either more sense or better taste or simply lacking in entrepeneurial spirit, you see these things on Architect shows or Instagram but living with them is another matter. I had black plastic UK conduit with metalclad switches and sockets in my UK garage, it looked the part, I would not have it in my kitchen any more than I would a concrete worktop.
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michael86
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Vienne 86 and England
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Post by michael86 on Nov 9, 2022 12:50:13 GMT 1
Just a thought, I don't know if it would comply or not. What about using galvanized conduit with 3 core double insulated cable running through it?
Michael
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Post by pcpa on Nov 9, 2022 13:41:47 GMT 1
During my young & dumb formative years I struggled to pull twin & earth cable through a galvanised conduit, not just one but a 2.5 T&E plus a 1.0 T+E Whatever Johhny does he must prioritise earthing before dubious aesthetics, also how old is his tableau électrique, does it have ID's etc?
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Post by cernunnos on Nov 9, 2022 13:49:29 GMT 1
The name of the thread is Galvanised conduit look. So I would think that the pipe is plastic as well as the lamps etc ? There should be no problem in running single insulated lighting wire through it , but I am sure that " Le Dolly ", who is an electrician, will shed some prof. light on this .
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Post by pcpa on Nov 9, 2022 13:58:39 GMT 1
Galvanised conduit is silver, plastic conduit is black, neither are available in France, the closest (and it aint close at all) is Gaine Icta and most électriciens just use it on straight lengths and leave the double insulated cable exposed on corners or where entering sockets and junction boxes. That is your true effet industriel Just to add to the confusion you can also get black painted ungalvanised mild steel conduit (its a lot cheaper) but the sheeple don't identify that with the "industrial look".
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Post by houpla on Nov 9, 2022 14:17:13 GMT 1
Not in any way a criticism of your taste, JD, but have you thought through the maintenance aspect of that look? Will you be going for the rough stone walls too? Might be worth bearing in mind that kitchens can be messy places (at least mine is when I'm in full cheffie mode ) and the idea of trying to keep a surface like that (as well as the conduit itself) clean and grease-free makes my head hurt. On the plus side, you wouldn't have the tops of wall cupboards to keep clean
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Post by Polarengineer on Nov 9, 2022 14:28:14 GMT 1
You could go full steam punk and use copper pipe with double insulated 3 core 1.5mm cable. All fittings available in France. Araldite the joints to avoid the stain and mess of solder. You could also drill and insert self tapping screws to hold the fittings in position with the pipe (very short blunt screws to avoid damage to wiring). If you stick to LED lamps then even smaller 0.75 cable could be used.
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Post by pcpa on Nov 9, 2022 14:45:40 GMT 1
Or go full on Jules Verne and use Tube Tôle Bergman supported by the still omnipresent Colliers Atlas.
Frankly Johnny what you think will look cool will just look ancient and dangerous to most French people.
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Post by pcpa on Nov 9, 2022 14:46:43 GMT 1
Araldite the joints to avoid the stain and mess of solder. Yeah that will really help a fault current pass safely to earth wont it!
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Post by Polarengineer on Nov 9, 2022 15:36:00 GMT 1
Araldite the joints to avoid the stain and mess of solder. Yeah that will really help a fault current pass safely to earth wont it! If you say so.
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Post by houpla on Nov 9, 2022 18:40:16 GMT 1
Or go full on Jules Verne and use Tube Tôle Bergman supported by the still omnipresent Colliers Atlas. Frankly Johnny what you think will look cool will just look ancient and dangerous to most French people. But perhaps that's not a priority for JD? Must admit when I was designing my kitchen, the last thing on my mind was whether French friends and acquaintances would approve of it! My preferred colours, ergonomics, easy maintenance, dual fuel to cope with power cuts and lots of storage..all far more important than the latest trend or what the neighbours think
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Post by flober on Nov 10, 2022 6:04:37 GMT 1
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Post by pcpa on Nov 10, 2022 11:58:42 GMT 1
Wow, so it does exist! Well done to you Flober for finding it. I quite like the adaptor for the unskilled DIY'ers to avoid threading the conduit.
Another alternative is to use the UK plastic conduit which has the same size, form and fittings as that found by Flober and spray it silver, the €2.99 Action silver paint aérosols are really good and if you dont use a lacquer the finish is matt and resembles galvanised, it would also give the double insulation needed and remove the struggle of pulling insulated 3 core cable through the conduit.
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Post by pcpa on Nov 10, 2022 12:05:25 GMT 1
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