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Nov 16, 2022 9:08:06 GMT 1
Post by Nifty on Nov 16, 2022 9:08:06 GMT 1
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Nov 16, 2022 11:41:43 GMT 1
Post by Aardvark on Nov 16, 2022 11:41:43 GMT 1
There is much talk of the "missile attack on Poland" being not at all true and investigations are ongoing to establish exactly what happened. I heard this morning someone saying "you don't start a war by blowing up a tractor".
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Nov 20, 2022 9:42:33 GMT 1
Post by Nifty on Nov 20, 2022 9:42:33 GMT 1
Shades of the past; in as much as spreading rumours. More ‘weapons of mass destruction, maybe…….
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Nov 20, 2022 10:34:03 GMT 1
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Post by garbo on Nov 20, 2022 10:34:03 GMT 1
No you have got the wrong party for that. Mr B liar I recall as does the rest of the nation.
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Nov 20, 2022 14:27:34 GMT 1
Post by Nifty on Nov 20, 2022 14:27:34 GMT 1
The blame game is all very well but it leads to nowhere except to more of the same.
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Nov 20, 2022 14:34:14 GMT 1
Post by omegal on Nov 20, 2022 14:34:14 GMT 1
No you have got the wrong party for that. Mr B liar I recall as does the rest of the nation. Care to name just one modern day PM that would not have assisted the USA as Blair did? You will struggle, no, I meant you won't find one. When in the past we needed the USA, they were there those who call Tony Blair, Bliar really need to up their game and think about it. So if he stood back, it would 100% mean any help from the States would not happen and without them, we are sitting ducks....or do some still think we would have eventually won WW2 without them?
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Nov 20, 2022 15:58:33 GMT 1
Post by cernunnos on Nov 20, 2022 15:58:33 GMT 1
Old argument Omegal.
The Russians forced the good ol' USA to enter the war , otherwise they would have over-run the whole of Europe .
The total amount repaid by the UK including interest, was $7.5bn (£3.8bn) to the US and US$2bn (£1bn) to Canada. ( I quote from wiki).
There was no reason to attack Iraq, it was purely political and made a complete mess of the Middle East.
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Nov 20, 2022 16:08:35 GMT 1
Post by Nifty on Nov 20, 2022 16:08:35 GMT 1
The war - which one ?
# 2 was thanks to the Japanese.
with regards to Iraq being purely political, it may be that some saw it as an opportunity to make lots of money.
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Sunak
Nov 20, 2022 17:07:23 GMT 1
Post by cernunnos on Nov 20, 2022 17:07:23 GMT 1
The war - which one ? # 2 was thanks to the Japanese.with regards to Iraq being purely political, it may be that some saw it as an opportunity to make lots of money. Agree with that Nifty , but it took them a year before they decided to go to fight in Europe. A lot of folks forget the Russian input.
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Nov 20, 2022 18:22:44 GMT 1
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Post by omegal on Nov 20, 2022 18:22:44 GMT 1
Old argument Omegal. The Russians forced the good ol' USA to enter the war , otherwise they would have over-run the whole of Europe . The total amount repaid by the UK including interest, was $7.5bn (£3.8bn) to the US and US$2bn (£1bn) to Canada. ( I quote from wiki). There was no reason to attack Iraq, it was purely political and made a complete mess of the Middle East. Really? The Russians in 1941 were looking unlikely to over run the Isle of Wight let alone Europe. Surely it was Pearl Harbour in December of1941 that brought the USA in to WW2.Approximately 2.8 million Soviet POWs were killed by the German armed forces and other special units between June 1941 and February 1942, mainly through deliberate starvation and exposure to the elements. It was one of the most shocking acts of human atrocity in history. So one can see by the dates that the USA had no fears about Russia until well after Pearl Harbour....
Old argument but an extremely valid one I'm afraid. The debt had to be repaid but what has that got to do with Blair backing the USA? We can all be wise after the event,
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omegal
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Nov 20, 2022 18:35:29 GMT 1
Post by omegal on Nov 20, 2022 18:35:29 GMT 1
Old argument Omegal. The Russians forced the good ol' USA to enter the war , otherwise they would have over-run the whole of Europe . The total amount repaid by the UK including interest, was $7.5bn (£3.8bn) to the US and US$2bn (£1bn) to Canada. ( I quote from wiki). There was no reason to attack Iraq, it was purely political and made a complete mess of the Middle East. Really? The Russians in 1941 were looking unlikely to over run the Isle of Wight let alone Europe. Surely it was Pearl Harbour in December of1941 that brought the USA in to WW2.Approximately 2.8 million Soviet POWs were killed by the German armed forces and other special units between June 1941 and February 1942, mainly through deliberate starvation and exposure to the elements. It was one of the most shocking acts of human atrocity in history. So one can see by the dates that the USA had no fears about Russia until well after Pearl Harbour....The USA were in discussions and entered Europe fighting the German forces in November 1942, with the launch of Operation Torch.
Old argument but an extremely valid one I'm afraid. The debt had to be repaid but what has that got to do with Blair backing the USA? We can all be wise after the event,
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Sunak
Nov 20, 2022 19:19:06 GMT 1
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Post by ForumUser2 on Nov 20, 2022 19:19:06 GMT 1
There was no reason to attack Iraq, it was purely political and made a complete mess of the Middle East. Indeed, because until then the Middle East was so stable...
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Sunak
Nov 20, 2022 19:25:02 GMT 1
Post by cernunnos on Nov 20, 2022 19:25:02 GMT 1
Really? The Russians in 1941 were looking unlikely to over run the Isle of Wight let alone Europe. Surely it was Pearl Harbour in December of1941 that brought the USA in to WW2.Approximately 2.8 million Soviet POWs were killed by the German armed forces and other special units between June 1941 and February 1942, mainly through deliberate starvation and exposure to the elements. It was one of the most shocking acts of human atrocity in history. So one can see by the dates that the USA had no fears about Russia until well after Pearl Harbour....The USA were in discussions and entered Europe fighting the German forces in November 1942, with the launch of Operation Torch.
Old argument but an extremely valid one I'm afraid. The debt had to be repaid but what has that got to do with Blair backing the USA? We can all be wise after the event, I am not "wise after the event " I was wise when it happened , it wasn't neccessary to attack Iraq. You compared WW2 with Iraq , not I
How much did the USA pay the UK for turning up in Iraq?
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Sunak
Nov 20, 2022 19:27:35 GMT 1
Post by cernunnos on Nov 20, 2022 19:27:35 GMT 1
There was no reason to attack Iraq, it was purely political and made a complete mess of the Middle East. Indeed, because until then the Middle East was so stable... Iraq was kept together by Sadam , but was then left in limbo when the Americans had destroyed everything . Why did Bush invade another country ?
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Nov 20, 2022 21:09:10 GMT 1
Post by omegal on Nov 20, 2022 21:09:10 GMT 1
I am not "wise after the event " I was wise when it happened , it wasn't neccessary to attack Iraq. You compared WW2 with Iraq , not I
How much did the USA pay the UK for turning up in Iraq?
Yes you were wise before and during as you had inside information then? No thought not. Everyone had their views, few got it spot on. Anyway that wasn't my point. Already you completely messed up and accused the Americans coming in to stave off the Russians which was completely wrong. You said: "The Russians forced the good ol' USA to enter the war , otherwise they would have over-run the whole of Europe".You appeared to have a problem with dates and got that totally wrong but there you go, FGS it wasn't comparing WW2 with Iraq and that was pretty obvious, it was a statement about any PM would have supported the USA in Iraq due to our being helped by the USA in WW2 (and you can put that towards WW1 as well). Would you care to show me where I compared WW2 with Iraq, pretty weird to suggest that!
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