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Post by JohnnyD on Nov 16, 2022 18:03:36 GMT 1
Energy company Enedis has been preventing heaters from triggering between 12:00 and 14:00 to save energy and says it is a success....
How do they do this technically, are all water heaters on a separate feed into the house?
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Post by suein56 on Nov 16, 2022 18:08:55 GMT 1
Energy company Enedis has been preventing heaters from triggering between 12:00 and 14:00 to save energy and says it is a success....
How do they do this technically, are all water heaters on a separate feed into the house?
I don't know about a separate feed but I do know that they are on a separate fuse at the 'Compteur'. I presume Enedis are talking about Linky smart meters ? They are controllable by Enedis in a variety of ways.
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Post by pcpa on Nov 16, 2022 19:01:58 GMT 1
preventing heaters........ does not say "all heaters".
It only concerns those with an HP/HC contract who have their ballon correctly wired in to charge only during les heures creuses and of those it only affects those lucky enough (until now!) to have got the sought after plage d'horaires which gives 6 or 7 hours at night with a mid-day booster top up of one or two hours, I cant recall the exact times and they can vary from département to département.
I bet they are not getting the lost hours back by the extending of their nightime HC period.
How is it done? Well be it a Linky meter or an older Compteur CBE the HP/HC switching signal is a frequency signal that is carried over the mains wiring, when it is sent at 23.00 for example all the HP/HC relay will close on all the meters that are set to that particular plage d'horaires which will in turn trip the HP/HC contacteur (using the asservissement current from the 2 amp disjoncteur) allowing the ballon (or storage heaters) to charge or the washing machine to run.
They are simply not sending out the HC signal at mid-day for the present.
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Post by gigi on Nov 16, 2022 19:32:08 GMT 1
I understand that it’s the water heaters of properties of those who've opted for heures creuses and have linkies.
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Post by suein56 on Nov 16, 2022 19:43:01 GMT 1
I bet they are not getting the lost hours back by the extending of their nightime HC period. Legally they might be on dodgy ground with your suggestion.
In my view they might either credit in money terms the lost water heating hours of they might extend the cheap water heating hours overnight.
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Post by houpla on Nov 16, 2022 22:08:49 GMT 1
Pfffft. We're participating (albeit without being consulted) in this exercise. OH assures me that everything but the ballon is still benefitting from HC between 12h30 and 14h30. But that doesn't change the fact that EDF are breaking the terms of the customer contract in force. It beggars belief that a supplier can do this with the connivance of the government. There's no extension of HC overnight.
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Post by pcpa on Nov 16, 2022 22:27:01 GMT 1
OH assures me that everything but the ballon is still benefitting from HC between 12h30 and 14h30. He is labouring under a misapprehension, during les heures creuses each and every electrical appliance is consuming cheap rate electricity, your whole electrical installation, everything that is switched on, currently you are paying full price during the hours you quote assuming that you are in fact on that plage d'horaires, you would normally know by hearing the HP/HC clunky Jules Verne type relay kicking in and out. |
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Post by pcpa on Nov 16, 2022 22:29:09 GMT 1
I understand that it’s the water heaters of properties of those who've opted for heures creuses and have linkies. Incorrect, it will equally apply to those with compteur CBE's if they have the relevant plage d'horaires and as I have just explained it is not limited to water heaters, EDF does not know what appliances you are using and cannot control them individually. |
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Post by JohnnyD on Nov 16, 2022 22:31:06 GMT 1
I understand that it’s the water heaters of properties of those who've opted for heures creuses and have linkies. Incorrect, it will equally apply to those with compteur CBE's if they have the relevant plage d'horaires and as I have just explained it is not limited to water heaters, EDF does not know what appliances you are using and cannot control them individually. I was about to ask the same question........Some sort of sourcery going on if this was possible....... |
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Post by pcpa on Nov 16, 2022 22:36:47 GMT 1
Regarding the thread title and the numerous media articles speaking of the threat of blackouts maybe even from ERDF themselves.
Given that the Linky roll out has got most of the population now there is zero chance of France ever needing to have blackouts, they can simply limit the current to each and every installation to say 6kva or to 3kva less than the puissance souscrite when the demand becomes too high for the generating capacity, this can be done by a click of a mouse.
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Post by pcpa on Nov 16, 2022 22:39:53 GMT 1
Here is the arrêté published on the 22nd September which the dumb media have decided means that water heaters alone will be switched off, if you read it you will see that its simply the removal of the signal that would engage the HP/HC relay in the compteurs:
Here is an example of the ignorant and sloppy journalism from in this instance QueChoisir but mots of the others are repeating the same incorrect info.
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Post by houpla on Nov 17, 2022 8:45:46 GMT 1
I understand that it’s the water heaters of properties of those who've opted for heures creuses and have linkies. Incorrect, it will equally apply to those with compteur CBE's if they have the relevant plage d'horaires and as I have just explained it is not limited to water heaters, EDF does not know what appliances you are using and cannot control them individually. That's what I thought. I just hope someone, somewhere with the clout challenges the legality of doing this. |
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Post by cernunnos on Nov 17, 2022 8:53:00 GMT 1
If I understand correctly , EDF is owned by the governement, so if there is a energy crisis they can do what they like . The solution is to change your contract.
Literal translation of the law:
For metering devices made available to users of public distribution networks in mainland France who have subscribed to a supply offer ensuring daily management of the controllable contact, for the period mentioned in Article 2, public electricity distribution system operators shall deactivate the closing of the controllable contact mentioned in Article 4 of the aforementioned Order of 4 January 2012 between 11:00 a.m. and 3:30 p.m. This daily deactivation, which may not exceed two hours, shall begin before 2 p.m. Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version) |
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Post by pcpa on Nov 17, 2022 11:53:21 GMT 1
That's what I thought. I just hope someone, somewhere with the clout challenges the legality of doing this. What would that achieve? it seems a very reasonable well thought out measure given the current circumstances, all ballons have a resistance sized to heat the whole cylinder contents from 15°C in 5.5 hours so even if they are not giving you the full 8 hours at night which I'm sure they are your ballon will still heat with cheap (not very) rate electricity, it might not be quite as warm in the evenings as it currently is, if you have a timer on the washing machine for mid-day then change it to after midnight. |
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Post by Nifty on Nov 17, 2022 12:38:38 GMT 1
‘ reasonable well thought out measures ‘ do not apply to our gas boiler;
Unless the measure is to increase consumption by design.
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