Aardvark
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Post by Aardvark on Dec 12, 2022 14:58:25 GMT 1
They walk among us.
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Post by lindalovely on Dec 12, 2022 15:30:59 GMT 1
With multiple strikes now planned for various parts of the Public Sector in the coming weeks do people think this is part of a grand plan to bring down the Tory government and are the strikes justified? Could some of it be down to Russian interference? It wouldn’t be the first time. According to the ex chief of the KGB in London Jack Jones was a Russian agent and Michael Foot was given financial support for his causes ( he was not an agent but a person with views they wanted to encourage) I don't think it needs Russian Interference. You could see trouble brewing for the last couple of years, and once people in jobs cannot earn enough money to support their families you get civil unrest. It's what happened in the 80s and 90s and in both cases led to a change of government. I'm only surprised it's taken so long really. The conservative government is finished anyway, with or without strikes. The only question is how long until the election. To add, in my experience public sector unions or professional organisations do not usually work together in a coordinated way. The University lecturers union, the BMA and the RCN have very little in common with each other, and even less in common with the railway unions. The membership of the BMA and the RCN have always been rather conservative so if they decide to strike things are pretty bad.
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Post by flober on Dec 12, 2022 15:40:57 GMT 1
I left out the word ‘independent’ so it would be compulsory independent arbitration. Such a radical change would also involve other things such as workers being entitled to cut price shares or share options as part of their deal, which could be disposed of when someone retires or leaves the company. No such thing as independent, because of the selection process ie who selects the arbitrater
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Post by woolybanana on Dec 12, 2022 20:14:39 GMT 1
Anything is better than the current old fashioned divisive system. Strikes are usually a result of arrogance and stupidity.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2022 23:01:16 GMT 1
Anything is better than the current old fashioned divisive system. Strikes are usually a result of arrogance and stupidity.I have to agree with you on that but instead of arrogance and stupidity you could just have said the Conservitive party.
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Post by woolybanana on Dec 13, 2022 1:05:44 GMT 1
As opposed to the radical Left who are running the strikes with the main aim of undermining democracy .
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Post by flober on Dec 13, 2022 4:45:04 GMT 1
As opposed to the radical Left who are running the strikes with the main aim of undermining democracy . Undermining democracy? as opposed to the toxic rabid right who are lining their own pockets at the expense of 99% of the people.Thats real democracy the few stealing from the many !
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Post by cernunnos on Dec 13, 2022 10:15:40 GMT 1
If the present UK government were at all honest and had the UK's prosperity at heart , they would stand down and let the people choose a new government , THAT is democracy.
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Post by norfolk on Dec 13, 2022 12:25:43 GMT 1
If the present UK government were at all honest and had the UK's prosperity at heart , they would stand down and let the people choose a new government , THAT is democracy. The last thing the Labour Party + the opposition parties want is a General Election. Now is a bad time to be in power.
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Post by ForumUser2 on Dec 13, 2022 16:57:09 GMT 1
If the present UK government were at all honest and had the UK's prosperity at heart , they would stand down and let the people choose a new government , THAT is democracy. The last thing the Labour Party + the opposition parties want is a General Election. Now is a bad time to be in power. That could apply any time in the past 12 years.
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Post by tim17 on Dec 13, 2022 17:52:58 GMT 1
Whilst there are been several 'challenges' over the past 12 years, right now the UK has a huge list of 'urgent' issues that are pretty much impossible to solve quickly - Covid fallout, Brexit fallout, cost of living, Ukraine, global economic downturn etc. The Tories have to go but Labour are really going to struggle to sort out that lot.
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Post by lindalovely on Dec 14, 2022 10:53:22 GMT 1
Whilst there are been several 'challenges' over the past 12 years, right now the UK has a huge list of 'urgent' issues that are pretty much impossible to solve quickly - Covid fallout, Brexit fallout, cost of living, Ukraine, global economic downturn etc. The Tories have to go but Labour are really going to struggle to sort out that lot. I think it's getting to the point where sorting out is not going to be possible and the old model of consumerism fuelling continued growth is now unsustainable on very many levels. All western countries have rather unsettled/unstable political situations at the moment and that is set to continue until people grasp the reality of what is needed, which is a complete mindset change on how things work.
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Post by omegal on Dec 14, 2022 11:49:05 GMT 1
As opposed to the radical Left who are running the strikes with the main aim of undermining democracy . Straight from the right wing rags. I suggest you think more along the lines of wages dipping strongly below annual inflation caused by the worst government in our time. If it was, as you inform us, to undermine democracy then you need to define democracy. The unions involved have taken a democratic vote to withhold their labour, what could be more democratic than that I ask?
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Post by tim17 on Dec 14, 2022 12:42:38 GMT 1
Whilst there are been several 'challenges' over the past 12 years, right now the UK has a huge list of 'urgent' issues that are pretty much impossible to solve quickly - Covid fallout, Brexit fallout, cost of living, Ukraine, global economic downturn etc. The Tories have to go but Labour are really going to struggle to sort out that lot. I think it's getting to the point where sorting out is not going to be possible and the old model of consumerism fuelling continued growth is now unsustainable on very many levels. All western countries have rather unsettled/unstable political situations at the moment and that is set to continue until people grasp the reality of what is needed, which is a complete mindset change on how things work. Totally agree Linda, the 're-set' has to be public driven though as politicians of all flavours don't seem to grasp of what's needed.
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Post by Aardvark on Dec 14, 2022 12:53:02 GMT 1
the old model of consumerism fuelling continued growth You have hit one of the two main reasons for the state things are in at the moment. Consumerism is one root cause. We need to consume less. After all, manufacturing sucks up a finite supply of raw materials and a great deal of energy. In the past things were made to last as long as possible. Today they are made to last barely until the warranty runs out. There is a constant bombardment by media hyping up the latest, greatest, biggest, fastest, up to date fashionable piece of throwaway shite that we must buy if we are to keep up with everyone else. All these "obsolete" products are now threatening to turn the planet into a festering unhealthy tip. We are trained into this consumerist mindset from childhood by big business. Globalisation now rules in a more powerful way than many governments, and in fact is a far more influential force than those governments. ie. the tobacco industries lobbying to prevent anti smoking legislation, companies like Monsanto planting ex employees to present "independent" research claiming that chemicals like glyphosate, etc. are safe and suppressing truly valid evidence to the contrary. What that company has done to agriculture in India and elsewhere is a shocking story that people need to investigate. Capitalism has been hijacked by big business, and the mantra of never ending growth is a one way ticket to serious global consequences. Continual growth in the pursuit of more and more profits leads to cutting corners at every opportunity. It will appear to be working to get more and more stuff into the hands of the people but pushes a much higher number of people elsewhere into deeper poverty and the planet itself into self destruction. I sincerely wish there was an alternative to capitalism. I'm even getting fed up with democracy now that I have seen how the Conservatives have manipulated it to serve their own agenda.
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