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Post by mangetout on Dec 16, 2022 18:06:53 GMT 1
That is what my 2 water bills this year have added up to for my 1m3 consumption of mains water 
Getting connected to the mains was not one of my better decisions, I did not realise that the cost of water here was much higher although for the little that I use it's not really the issue, it's the standing charges which are 10 times higher than I was used to.
Now that I have had a year to find that the well water does not run dry and seems to be of very good quality (I will have it tested) I think I will pay the disconnection charge and bin off Suez.
My question is does anyone have tout à l'égout but no mains water? And if so how are their sewage charges calculated, is it a forfait?
Also an idea of how much they pay for assainissement would give me some idea whether disconnection may not be cost effective, my sewage charges are low because it's based on the 1m3 consumption although still higher than i was used to but there is another eye watering standing charge.
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Post by pcpa on Dec 16, 2022 20:33:23 GMT 1
I doubt it very much that a commune would connect it's sewage system to a house without a water connection, the opposite is valid obviously. I am not there are present to ask them again but 3 neighbours have told me that they are connected to the sewer but not to the water main and continue to use their well water, I need to ask them how they are charged.
A bit of background, when the houses were built everyone had their own well and their own fosse, my property remains unchanged from those days. Mains water became available a long time ago and the tout à l'égout in the last decade.
I know there is legislation that says if mains water is available then you have to connect to it, this was in the back of my mind when we did so, however obligation and enforcement are two different things and I have only found one neighbour who has actually chose to connect, he would have bought in the last decade I reckon, all the others I know have been there since they had their house built in the 60's, 70's and 80s.
Cernunnos, the commune does not connect it's sewage system to a house, the owner connects to it (or doesn't as the case may be) there is a tabouret de raccordement on my boundary for me to do so and there was a régard just inside my property with a tail from the water meter outside.
The house purchase documents say I have to connect to the sewer within 2 years, disconnect and fill in my fosse, it does not say that I have to inform anybody when I do so.
I suspect that the neighbours being a canny lot have simply connected when it suits them and continued using their well water, if they become anxious and evasive when I speak to them on the subject I will let sleeping dogs lie.
The difficulty and complication may come when I try to have the water disconnected, time will tell.
So you can now understand why I asked the question on the forum but I doubted any would be in the same situation.
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Post by cernunnos on Dec 16, 2022 20:58:30 GMT 1
we have a house in the village, that was empty for many years before we bought it,that had been connected to the communal sewage system into the cellar with a pipe covered by a tampon.
When I renovated the ground floor shop , I connected the toilet onto this pipe, but the commune had always charged us for the connection since the day we bought the property, even though no water went into the system.
So yes, OUR commune does connect it's sewage system to a house.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2022 21:31:40 GMT 1
PCPA Can you turn my meter off please im about to go back north to my hotel complex no idea how long I will be away for.
waterboard You know there will be a charge for switching it off.
PCPC not a problem sir (its less than your flippin charges for having it on)
simples
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Post by pcpa on Dec 16, 2022 22:04:08 GMT 1
Tell me something that I don't know!
I know the disconnection charge, what I want to know is what would then be my liability, presumably a forfait for sewage treatment of water drawn from my well.
Currently the sewage is paid by the abonnement for that service (I think €95 pa but not sure as I am not there) and a charge based on how many m3 of metered mains water, even though currently none of my waste goes into the sewer.
It could be that I would be worse off by paying under a forfait system that might be based on the expected volume of sewage from a family.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2022 22:31:28 GMT 1
I always find the easiest way is to ask.
You could try something like this.
Bonjour I was thinking of having the mains water switched of as I will not be about much next year what charges would I have to pay.
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Post by cernunnos on Dec 17, 2022 10:05:57 GMT 1
Before I connected the house to the communal system , they were charging €40.81 for the abonnement. They also charged sewage disposal tax ( 0.33/m3) ontop of that , even though we were not producing any.
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Post by pcpa on Dec 17, 2022 13:33:35 GMT 1
I always find the easiest way is to ask. You could try something like this. Bonjour I was thinking of having the mains water switched of as I will not be about much next year what charges would I have to pay. I neither need nor was asking for advice on how to have the mains water supply disconnected.
What I would appreciate is if anyone is in the situation of using only their own well water but discharging into the public sewer they could explain on what basis they are charged for the sewage.
I hope that makes it clearer.
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Post by pcpa on Dec 17, 2022 13:36:13 GMT 1
Before I connected the house to the communal system , they were charging €40.81 for the abonnement. They also charged sewage disposal tax ( 0.33/m3) ontop of that , even though we were not producing any. Thanks for that, that is how they are currently charging me (although a lot more) and like you I am not discharging into the sewer but my fosse, the question is how will it be done when they will no longer have metered consumption figures? |
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Post by cernunnos on Dec 17, 2022 14:06:19 GMT 1
Before I connected the house to the communal system , they were charging €40.81 for the abonnement. They also charged sewage disposal tax ( 0.33/m3) ontop of that , even though we were not producing any. Thanks for that, that is how they are currently charging me (although a lot more) and like you I am not discharging into the sewer but my fosse, the question is how will it be done when they will no longer have metered consumption figures? They will still charge you for two abonnements until you have told them to remove the water connection , and a forfait for the SPANC. We have a second house on our property with a fosse and water connection , but the last years have not used the water there and we pay €55 for the abonnement and €20 SPANC . Once the water connection has been removed , it costs quite a bit to reconnect it, that is why we have left ours connected.
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Post by lindalovely on Dec 17, 2022 14:31:49 GMT 1
My questions to you are 1. Is the amount they are charging you beyond your means and is that why you want to get it disconnected? 2. Would having a house disconnected from the mains water and possibly sewerage system make it easier or more difficult to sell should you need or want to? My view would it would be quite a negative for potential buyers.
Otherwise it seems a lot of wasted energy for something that probably isn't going to be of much benefit in the long term.
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Post by pcpa on Dec 17, 2022 17:29:56 GMT 1
it costs quite a bit to reconnect it, that is why we have left ours connected. It was not expensive to have connected so that is not a barrier to being disconnected, it took a long time because they did the usual losing of the dossier, on site it took the guy say 10 seconds to close the vanne on the other side of the road, he had a long handled lifting tool with a magnet to retain the cover, then in the blink of an eye he had removed the meter blanking cap and fitted the meter, it is a quarter turn cartridge system with automatic engagement of the security seals, he did not even need to bend down for either of the operations and was on his way within 2 minutes. No doubt the removal will cost a lot more  |
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Post by pcpa on Dec 17, 2022 17:49:40 GMT 1
My questions to you are 1. Is the amount they are charging you beyond your means and is that why you want to get it disconnected? 2. Would having a house disconnected from the mains water and possibly sewerage system make it easier or more difficult to sell should you need or want to? My view would it would be quite a negative for potential buyers. Otherwise it seems a lot of wasted energy for something that probably isn't going to be of much benefit in the long term. Not beyond my means, neither would be buying vintage champagne but I choose not to, I will not use more than 1m3 a year so by my values it's a waste of money.
"means" to most people means "income" of which I have had zero since the beginning of covid despite a lot of outgoings, I will get about half of a UK state pension in a few years time assuming they continue to pay non domiciles, nothing else.
Selling the property is the last thing on my mind at present, hopefully I won't need to but if so then it can be reconnected as easily as disconnected, any buyer would have to do that anyway if the seller had already moved out and stopped paying, no different to having the electricity reconnected, the important thing is that the supply is there and was connected and thanks to our mutual friend that has been done, not wasted energy.
Dependant on what the charge would be for sewage (even if not connected) it may not be such a saving and in that case I would maintain the supply, hence asking the question on the forum.
Now that my means and motivation have been drawn out could we possibly stick to information relating to the costs of and/or how sewage charges are levied for a property drawing its own well water please.
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Post by Nifty on Dec 18, 2022 9:23:25 GMT 1
Well; there are wells and there are wells. If one wanted the water to be potable that might be a problem.
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Post by flober on Dec 18, 2022 9:55:22 GMT 1
I came across this but couldn't find anything about deconnectting an existing branchement
Quelle est la réglementation pour raccorder sa maison à l'eau potable ?
Il n’existe aucune loi qui oblige le propriétaire d’une maison à se raccorder au réseau public d’eau potable. Si le terrain dispose d’une autre source d’eau potable, le propriétaire peut se passer de la procédure de raccordement.
L’article L.224-7-1 du Code général des collectivités territoriales exige toutefois qu’un schéma de distribution d’eau potable soit arrêté par les communes, afin de délimiter les zones desservies par l’eau potable. Tout logement situé dans une de ces zones dispose du droit au raccordement - et non d'une obligation.
En revanche, cela signifie aussi que si le terrain ne figure pas dans une zone desservie par le réseau, la collectivité est en droit de refuser le raccordement à l’eau.
La seule réglementation à respecter se trouve dans les démarches administratives. Celles-ci doivent être effectuées auprès de la compagnie des eaux compétente, qui doit obtenir toutes les autorisations nécessaires avant de débuter les travaux.
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29/07/2022
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