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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2022 10:33:12 GMT 1
Things are only going to get worse with climate change. If people are starving they will need to move.
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Post by cernunnos on Dec 17, 2022 10:40:22 GMT 1
"The West" hasn't got it figured out yet, the mass migration has only just started.
The young men move first , then their families , they arn't armed yet, but it won't be long .
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Post by lindalovely on Dec 17, 2022 14:43:15 GMT 1
"The West" hasn't got it figured out yet, the mass migration has only just started. The young men move first , then their families , they arn't armed yet, but it won't be long . Why would they need to be armed? If it is has got to the point where people are shooting each other for food that it is everyone that you need to worry about, not just people born somewhere else. We have two Pakistani refuges in our village. A local farmer has taken them under his wing and has trained them to work in the vines. They do all the shit jobs in the freezing cold that no one else wants to do. Our small town has a new Pakistani restaurant. The head waiter is from Pakistan. He is also the captain of the local cricket team now all the English players have got too old and had to retire. He told me he was going back to Pakistan for a holiday for the first time in a few years because his sister was getting married. The other staff that work in the restaurant are also from Pakistan and Afghanistan. The all seem really pleasant, contribute to the community and I can't imagine any of them doing anything other than working...Some of the British inhabitants of the village are not nearly as well behaved. |
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Post by cernunnos on Dec 17, 2022 18:13:45 GMT 1
"The West" hasn't got it figured out yet, the mass migration has only just started. The young men move first , then their families , they arn't armed yet, but it won't be long . Why would they need to be armed? If it is has got to the point where people are shooting each other for food that it is everyone that you need to worry about, not just people born somewhere else. We have two Pakistani refuges in our village. A local farmer has taken them under his wing and has trained them to work in the vines. They do all the shit jobs in the freezing cold that no one else wants to do. Our small town has a new Pakistani restaurant. The head waiter is from Pakistan. He is also the captain of the local cricket team now all the English players have got too old and had to retire. He told me he was going back to Pakistan for a holiday for the first time in a few years because his sister was getting married. The other staff that work in the restaurant are also from Pakistan and Afghanistan. The all seem really pleasant, contribute to the community and I can't imagine any of them doing anything other than working...Some of the British inhabitants of the village are not nearly as well behaved. It's called escalation, people have very short memories . The first pakistanis in the UK did all the shit jobs , they saved up and put their kids through university . Not many of them integrated, evolution at it's best. 
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Post by ForumUser2 on Dec 17, 2022 18:18:17 GMT 1
Shouldn't this thread be moved from "The Snug" to the "Casual and Overt Racism" sub-forum?
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Post by cernunnos on Dec 17, 2022 19:43:28 GMT 1
Go for it !  Who are you saying is racist ?
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Post by cernunnos on Dec 18, 2022 10:59:48 GMT 1
Shouldn't this thread be moved from "The Snug" to the "Casual and Overt Racism" sub-forum? Perhaps someone would like to throw some light on " casual and overt racism "
I havn't a clue what is meant by this comment .
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Post by mangetout on Dec 18, 2022 12:19:41 GMT 1
Here's my take on it. People often don't 'integrate' because they don't feel welcome. This is clearly seen by the large numbers of non native residents living in the same place. They feel safe, it's an understandable response to a sometimes hostile environment. As for casual and overt racism. It's casual because it's done with such ease, the 'done' thing to see people from different backgrounds as lesser human beings. As for being overt. Well it is, isn't it. Couldn't be clearer. It's such a pity because there's nothing to fear, just lots of new things to learn from people who have such different life experiences. Mass migration is nothing new, and at the moment it seems to-be on the increase, or is it? Lots of things seem to be 'getting worse' but perhaps what's really happening is that news travels with greater ease these days. Lies use the same road.
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Post by lindalovely on Dec 18, 2022 15:06:17 GMT 1
I was talking to our Belgian neighbour (Belgian and proud) at the event. He is overtly racist against people he doesn't know who usually have a darker skin than him. He knows the Pakistani workers well and when I asked him if they were refugees he was very defensive and said 'yes but they are good refugees..they work and speak French', which actually sums up all the refugees I have met. Anyway he is completely oblivious to the fact that he is also an economic migrant like we were until we became French.
I am not sure what you mean by integrated. Most of the British here don't integrate, in that they don't speak the language, don't have any French friends, ask for 'English speaking doctors, dentists etc' All the third country nationals including refugees are required to learn French to at least A2 level and renewal of their visa is conditional on them improving. Second generation immigrants will all speak French given that they are educated in the French system.
France is a secular state, so people are entitled to be Catholic, protestant, Muslim, Buddhist..whatever they want, but that has no bearing on their integration. There are laws about equality in France. Some religious beliefs clash with the law. For example women in France have a legal right to abortion and contraception but that clashes with the Catholic faith. Of course these things cause tensions but they are not confined to Pakistanis.
So I ask again, why would anyone need to be armed against refugees or migrants. I can see a time where people may have to fight for food as supplies dwindle, but I can't see refugees beeing the problem. It will be those that have against those that have not, just as it has always been.
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Post by cernunnos on Dec 18, 2022 19:51:56 GMT 1
I ask again, why would anyone need to be armed against refugees or migrants. I can see a time where people may have to fight for food as supplies dwindle, but I can't see refugees beeing the problem. It will be those that have against those that have not, just as it has always been. I never said that anyone need to be armed against refugees or migrants . Any comment predicting the future seems to be translated as racism . European politicians ( with the UK/Hungary upfront) are becoming more and more aggresive towards migration .Meanwhile there is less and less help given to the countries where these people come from. So those that have ( Europe) will be the focus point of those that have not ( Africa) The climate problems are worse in Africa , the media only use coverage that pulls viewers. No hunger in Africa ? "278 million people in Africa suffer from chronic hunger. This corresponds to 20 percent of the continent's population.4 août 2022" We don't mind , but I am pretty certain that it will become a problem .
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