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Post by woolybanana on Dec 18, 2022 22:03:10 GMT 1
As an aside to the strike, will agency nurses be used to replace striking nurses?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2022 22:14:15 GMT 1
Guaranteed and it will more than likely be Lord snorkeling another conservative donner who owns the agency. At the end of the day Sunak wants to sell off the NHS they have already said it needs change the Americans are waiting to buy it up and the good old British subjects will be paying for healthcare but like the poor in America they will get sweet fec all healthcare wise.
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Post by woolybanana on Dec 18, 2022 23:39:58 GMT 1
Have I misunderstood, mystry2, is the NHS for sale? Can I buy shares? Werent most of the nursing agencies started by former nurses?
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Post by Nifty on Dec 19, 2022 3:24:17 GMT 1
I can’t see as how it matters how things start. What is done is done. Take the B.I.S.N Co. as an example. What matters to most, is how they evolve and finish up under the guidance of bent so-called Lords and Ladies, Politicians, Bankers, Accountants, Trade Union Heads, Lawyers, Ministers etc.
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Post by exile on Dec 19, 2022 9:03:42 GMT 1
Have I misunderstood, mystry2, is the NHS for sale? Can I buy shares? NHS up for sale? Well step by step, yes. Can you buy shares? You could start by investing in a dental practice. I think I am right in saying there are no NHS dentists any more (perhaps some specialised orthodontists in hospital but no more than that) plus very few dentists are now taking NHS work. The health minister gave away some statistic over the weekend about how many dentists still did NHS work (proudly of course) and I worked out that it amounted to one dentist per 25-30,000 inhabitants.
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Post by rabbit on Dec 19, 2022 11:18:31 GMT 1
Guaranteed and it will more than likely be Lord snorkeling another conservative donner who owns the agency. At the end of the day Sunak wants to sell off the NHS they have already said it needs change the Americans are waiting to buy it up and the good old British subjects will be paying for healthcare but like the poor in America they will get sweet fec all healthcare wise. Well privatisation seems to work well in France. We have private dentists, radiography clinics, analysis labs and private hospitals. All accessed seamlessly and working rather well when compared to the U.K But what is the evidence that Sunak wants to sell off the NHS?.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2022 11:27:47 GMT 1
Wabbit I'm just on my phone but if you do a quick Google search they have been selling off bits and bobs for years now. They are trying to turn the public against the nurses. They can afford to give a pay rise.
Selling things off from public ownership does not always work.
pcpa is having to switch his mains water off as he cannot afford to pay for it.
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Post by pcpa on Dec 19, 2022 11:35:54 GMT 1
And who are the agency nurses? - Nurses working their off shifts and soon striking nurses.
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Post by flober on Dec 19, 2022 11:37:05 GMT 1
Well privatisation seems to work well in France. We have private dentists, radiography clinics, analysis labs and private hospitals. All accessed seamlessly and working rather well when compared to the U.K But what is the evidence that Sunak wants to sell off the NHS?. Works really well if you have a mutuelle !
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Post by pcpa on Dec 19, 2022 12:20:34 GMT 1
They worked well for me when I didn't but the problem was the medecins and practicioners that were so used to running a battery of tests paid for by the system before even listening to you explain your problem/needs, they just could not comprehend that someone would not have coverage and would not want to pay for unnecessary tests etc.
I now have coverage through the C.S.S., the first year my revenu was a couple of Euros more than the plafond and I had to pay either €20 or €25 per month for the coverage, far in excess of any benefit that I recieved.
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Post by exile on Dec 19, 2022 13:12:35 GMT 1
And who are the agency nurses? - Nurses working their off shifts and soon striking nurses. Not from what I gather. Nurses don't need to be agency to get off shifts. With 50,000 missing nurses there is no end of off shifts. Agency nurses are those who have left the NHS for a variety of reasons including: 1. Childcare - now so expensive even with grants that they prefer to stay home and then work as an agency nurse in the hours that suit them. Plus of course just stop during the holiday periods rather than fighting to get a 2 week spot in August alongside every other NHS nurse with children who wants/needs the same. 2. Work/life balance. Chose the shifts that suit you and not the NHS. 3. Increasingly - NHS burn out - there are just so many double shifts and weekends that a soul can stand - especially in a stressed environment. These extra shifts are of course notionally voluntary but peer/management pressure does strange things.
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Post by beejay on Dec 19, 2022 13:33:39 GMT 1
And who are the agency nurses? - Nurses working their off shifts and soon striking nurses. Not from what I gather. Nurses don't need to be agency to get off shifts. With 50,000 missing nurses there is no end of off shifts. Agency nurses are those who have left the NHS for a variety of reasons including: 1. Childcare - now so expensive even with grants that they prefer to stay home and then work as an agency nurse in the hours that suit them. Plus of course just stop during the holiday periods rather than fighting to get a 2 week spot in August alongside every other NHS nurse with children who wants/needs the same. 2. Work/life balance. Chose the shifts that suit you and not the NHS. 3. Increasingly - NHS burn out - there are just so many double shifts and weekends that a soul can stand - especially in a stressed environment. These extra shifts are of course notionally voluntary but peer/management pressure does strange things.
My DiL is a senior midwife manager of 40 years experience so fed up with all the paperwork and management restructuring that she has resigned her job. She could retire early but has chosen, for the time being, to work as an NHS adviser to elderly patients. In addition she is resitting her general nursing qualification which had expired. This means she has 3 years of study ahead whilst still working full time. Dedication? You decide!
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Post by pcpa on Dec 19, 2022 14:35:16 GMT 1
Not from what I gather. Nurses don't need to be agency to get off shifts. With 50,000 missing nurses there is no end of off shifts. So you think they work 24 hour shifts 7 days a week? I have been in relationships with several (too many) nurses, they all did agency work between their NHS shifts, some more than others, often in the exact same hospitals. Sounds like they should have instead been working voluntary unpaid double shifts, but then that sort of selfless person would not go on strike would they?
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Post by woolybanana on Dec 19, 2022 16:16:20 GMT 1
I understand the nurses are asking for 19%. Wonder what they will get?
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Post by tim17 on Dec 19, 2022 16:46:49 GMT 1
All a 19% pay increase will do is placate nurses in the short term and maybe stop some from leaving, the pressures they face day to day will still be there.
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