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Post by cernunnos on Jan 3, 2023 19:25:25 GMT 1
What do you mean by that? I mean that the French government has started passing (or enforcing) laws which deny (some) naturalised citizens the same rights as native French. To be strictly fair, it also differentiates slightly in their favour in other respects, but I wonder how long that will last! Could you be a bit more specific?
I have the same rights as a few of my neighbours and a lot more rights than the rest .
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Post by ForumUser2 on Jan 3, 2023 19:55:01 GMT 1
Let's give the Leave supporters the opportunity to present the New England's gifts to its inhabitants provided by leaving the EU.
It's really very simple: just a list of all those positive things Brexit has bestowed. (By that I mean tangible examples rather than meaningless soundbites.)
Anyone?
C'mon Gobbo, judging by your support you must have a list a mile long of all the good stuff.
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Post by houpla on Jan 3, 2023 20:02:48 GMT 1
You're working age, though, cernunnos. Those of retirement age, or anyone relying on an S1 (and there are a few thousand of them still in France), are being penalised and discriminated against, whatever their origin. Now if they choose to come here, post-Brexit and fully aware of what their status will be, that's their choice, but what is totally wrong is that, although there was much noise made about existing residents benefitting from the same conditions as before Brexit thanks to the withdrawal agreement, that simply isn't the case. As for the nationality thing, when you've jumped through the endless hoops to adopt the nationality of the country you're living in (incidentally for love of said country, not expediency) only to find that you don't have the same status as a French native at all....it's disheartening to say the least. But that's just a personal gripe
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Post by cernunnos on Jan 3, 2023 20:39:17 GMT 1
So what is the difference ? As for the nationality thing, when you've jumped through the endless hoops to adopt the nationality of the country you're living in (incidentally for love of said country, not expediency) only to find that you don't have the same status as a French native at all....it's disheartening to say the least. But that's just a personal gripe Also you may be suprised at my age
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Post by pcpa on Jan 3, 2023 20:58:07 GMT 1
Anyone suggesting we just swallow it and move on I'm not sure anyone has, "moving on" is desirable, "swallowing it" (dependant on what exactly you mean by that) probably not so but one can quite easily do the former without the latter, I believe most have. I too am intrigued as to how ex UK citizens who have taken French nationality are (or may be) disadvantaged, I thought they were having their cake and eating it. Is it perhaps having to pay for healthcare in retirement (subject to revenue)? If so then they are simply being treated in the same way as any other French citizen, they may no longer have the free ride any more which if you use the same logic "disadvantaged" all French citizens but they made the choice to become a French national and surely would have researched the implications?
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Post by houpla on Jan 3, 2023 21:54:37 GMT 1
So what is the difference ? As for the nationality thing, when you've jumped through the endless hoops to adopt the nationality of the country you're living in (incidentally for love of said country, not expediency) only to find that you don't have the same status as a French native at all....it's disheartening to say the least. But that's just a personal gripe Also you may be suprised at my age If you're working or have worked here, France is your competent State. If you haven't, even though you may have contributed financially to the French system, your competent State is considered to be the one where you were born or where you contributed most. (I think)
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Post by exile on Jan 3, 2023 22:12:57 GMT 1
Contributed most
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Post by houpla on Jan 3, 2023 22:17:24 GMT 1
Anyone suggesting we just swallow it and move on I too am intrigued as to how ex UK citizens who have taken French nationality are (or may be) disadvantaged, I thought they were having their cake and eating it. Is it perhaps having to pay for healthcare in retirement (subject to revenue)? If so then they are simply being treated in the same way as any other French citizen, they may no longer have the free ride any more which if you use the same logic "disadvantaged" all French citizens but they made the choice to become a French national and surely would have researched the implications? Just a few points...they are having to pay for their healthcare now, there's no 'subject to revenue' about it, which puts them at a distinct disadvantage given the pathetic level of UK State pension and the vagaries of the exchange rate. They are not being treated in the same way as any other French citizen because the right to the CSS has been withdrawn. That includes the right to the secondary form of CSS which was contributory. So, incidentally, not a 'free ride'. How can you research the implications of something that takes place 9 years after you make your decision to emigrate and 3 years after taking nationality? Despite the spiel on the Ameli website about CSS being revenue-based, it is a benefit which was available to existing Brit residents and which has now been withdrawn, (by coincidence?), as it was not enshrined in the withdrawal agreement.
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Post by exile on Jan 3, 2023 22:37:24 GMT 1
Strictly speaking contributed longest. Most might have a different interpretation in some contexts.
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Post by houpla on Jan 3, 2023 23:06:35 GMT 1
Thanks for clearing that up, exile. I'm not well up on forms of S1 other than the retirement version
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Post by flober on Jan 4, 2023 0:35:34 GMT 1
Have you a link? I am not really sure what you are getting at because I pay healthcare contributions from my french pension and am a french citizen.
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Post by exile on Jan 4, 2023 0:49:29 GMT 1
If you are living in France and have worked in France, then France is your competent state for healthcare.
In my case I was living in France when I reached retirement age but had paid contributions to Germany and the UK. My contributing months to the UK were more than to Germany so the UK became my competent state.
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Post by exile on Jan 4, 2023 1:01:50 GMT 1
Just to add that I have not yet found a clear link that really explains all of the complexities. It took me and the German authorities 6 months to work out what was what - probably complicated because I was already receiving a German pension (where Germany was without doubt my competent state) before I could receive my UK one, which it turns out changed the status of competent state.
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Post by norfolk on Jan 4, 2023 7:22:18 GMT 1
You're working age, though, cernunnos. Those of retirement age, or anyone relying on an S1 (and there are a few thousand of them still in France), are being penalised and discriminated against, whatever their origin. Now if they choose to come here, post-Brexit and fully aware of what their status will be, that's their choice, but what is totally wrong is that, although there was much noise made about existing residents benefitting from the same conditions as before Brexit thanks to the withdrawal agreement, that simply isn't the case. As for the nationality thing, when you've jumped through the endless hoops to adopt the nationality of the country you're living in (incidentally for love of said country, not expediency) only to find that you don't have the same status as a French native at all....it's disheartening to say the least. But that's just a personal gripe What French rights are you lacking ?
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Post by tim17 on Jan 4, 2023 7:52:34 GMT 1
Life's too short to worry about Brexit, at a personal level you can't change what happened so you just have to accept it and live with it.
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