Aardvark
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Living in soggy 22 and still wondering what's going on.
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Post by Aardvark on Jan 27, 2023 12:29:34 GMT 1
In which case it would be a fair bet most of them will be paying less than €300 tax fonciere/habitation. Really, I'd guess most holiday home Brits would be paying well over 1K for their property taxes. Maybe confusion here, this thread is a wee bit disjointed in places. My comment above was with reference to the comment "648 million live below the poverty line of $2.15/day" made by cernunnos. I would assume people living at that level would not own holiday homes.
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Post by crabtree on Jan 27, 2023 13:04:39 GMT 1
Does this really apply to non-residents? It applies to all property owners in France, whether resident or not.
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Post by tim17 on Jan 27, 2023 14:21:27 GMT 1
Does this really apply to non-residents? It applies to all property owners in France, whether resident or not. Does it though, I've looked through the official government notice and there's no mention of 'non-residents', very few would already have a tax account so they would all need to create one which you'd assume would have been made clear by the government.
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suein56
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Southern Morbihan 56 Brittany
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Post by suein56 on Jan 27, 2023 14:48:07 GMT 1
It applies to all property owners in France, whether resident or not. Does it though, I've looked through the official government notice and there's no mention of 'non-residents', very few would already have a tax account so they would all need to create one which you'd assume would have been made clear by the government.The tax account exists already whether the property owner/tax payer accesses it or not.
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Post by pcpa on Jan 27, 2023 14:50:20 GMT 1
I looked and found that they have listed my property in Picardie as 2 maisons, I knew this was done years back to mitigate them having raised my taxes foncières 300% without my autorisation claiming they were doing a "simulation" and it would save me a lot of money.
Whatever, that is old history but no way will I be declaring only one of them as my résidence principale and the other as secondaire and I'm pretty sure it won't allow me to be living in both of them which is exactly what I do as it is one dwelling.
I also noted the bit about declaring how many weeks a year a saisonnière is rented and for how much, I won't give information like this voluntarily to anyone (especially the office de tourisme) unless obliged and enforced to do so.
I also noticed that my taxe d'hab bill was zero, I expected that, zero for redevance audiovisuel, again I expected that because of zero income but it said that it was because it has been scrapped, has everybody been exonerated this year?
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Post by crabtree on Jan 27, 2023 14:55:50 GMT 1
It applies to all property owners in France, whether resident or not. Does it though, I've looked through the official government notice and there's no mention of 'non-residents', very few would already have a tax account so they would all need to create one which you'd assume would have been made clear by the government. Why would the government need to specify whether residents or non-residents. They state it relates to owned 'biens immobiliers'.
Here is the government page about it, note it starts with "Tous les propriétaires", and further down "Qui est concerné ? Cette obligation déclarative concerne tous les propriétaires, particuliers et entreprises, de biens immobiliers à usage d’habitation: www.service-public.fr/particuliers/actualites/A16336.
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Post by tim17 on Jan 27, 2023 15:08:37 GMT 1
Does it though, I've looked through the official government notice and there's no mention of 'non-residents', very few would already have a tax account so they would all need to create one which you'd assume would have been made clear by the government.The tax account exists already whether the property owner/tax payer accesses it or not. I'm aware the fiscal number is on the fonciere and habitation bills but until someone actually creates a log-in etc you can't make the required declaration. The purpose of the questions is solely to know whether I need to notify my clients of this new requirement or not.
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Post by woolybanana on Jan 27, 2023 15:59:31 GMT 1
Surely the government already has the information they are now seeking as the communes have a record of who owns what and what is what? Where there might be lacunae is over which properties are being used to gain income in some way, either long term or short term.
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Post by houpla on Jan 27, 2023 16:40:01 GMT 1
I also noticed that my taxe d'hab bill was zero, I expected that, zero for redevance audiovisuel, again I expected that because of zero income but it said that it was because it has been scrapped, has everybody been exonerated this year? Don't know about those who did receive a Taxe d'Hab bill, i.e. second-home owners, but yes, the RA was wiped for 2022 and presumably will be again this year, unless they get a replacement set up pdq. It'll come...that we can be sure of.
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Post by crabtree on Jan 27, 2023 16:44:35 GMT 1
The tax account exists already whether the property owner/tax payer accesses it or not. I'm aware the fiscal number is on the fonciere and habitation bills but until someone actually creates a log-in etc you can't make the required declaration. The purpose of the questions is solely to know whether I need to notify my clients of this new requirement or not. Yes you should.
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Post by elsie on Jan 27, 2023 16:48:27 GMT 1
The tax account exists already whether the property owner/tax payer accesses it or not. I'm aware the fiscal number is on the fonciere and habitation bills but until someone actually creates a log-in etc you can't make the required declaration. The purpose of the questions is solely to know whether I need to notify my clients of this new requirement or not. I suggest you read the FAQ I mentioned earlier www.impots.gouv.fr/sites/default/files/media/1_metier/1_particulier/EV/5_patrimoine_logement/560_travaux_habitation/faq_gmbi.pdfIt probably has answers to the vast majority of the questions asked here (or gives information on how to obtain an official answer)
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Post by houpla on Jan 27, 2023 16:54:43 GMT 1
There are genuinely people here who live as if in the 1970s and have no - as in absolutely no access to their espace.
Most Médiathèques/Bibliothèques have Internet access available .. in some it's free, in others there is a very small charge.
Both our local Mairies have computers with free Internet access available for members of the public for things like consulting your tax documents ie taxe fonc etc and also for anything concerned with living in the locality.
It's not so long ago that the first port of call for any administrative problem was the Mairie, where a (more or less) helpful secretary did stuff like this for the residents who couldn't do it for themselves. Now we've got France Services which, at least round here, have an office open a few hours every week in every small town, supposedly to fulfill the same function. So really, it comes down to how well-equipped your area is and the attitude of the new generation of foncs. It would be nice to think that it will draw neighbourhoods closer together so the savvy/equipped residents help out the elderly and confused, but France is going the same way as the UK....young, busy, working people just don't have the time or the inclination.
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Post by lapourtaider on Jan 27, 2023 16:56:37 GMT 1
Just checked ours online. No change nothing to see here. However our new house bought in October not yet listed.
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Post by crabtree on Jan 27, 2023 17:57:04 GMT 1
I'm aware the fiscal number is on the fonciere and habitation bills but until someone actually creates a log-in etc you can't make the required declaration. The purpose of the questions is solely to know whether I need to notify my clients of this new requirement or not. Yes you should. Taken from the FAQs linked to by Elsie: "Je vis à l’étranger, dois-je déclarer les situations d’occupation et de loyers de mes biens ? Oui. Vous devez déclarer les situations d’occupation et de loyers de vos biens situés en France."
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Post by cernunnos on Jan 27, 2023 18:24:32 GMT 1
When my husband died at the beginning of October I wrote to our local tax office, enclosing a copy of his death certificate. Today I thought I'd try to get into our account to deal with this new declaration request. On the off chance I used his identifier info because it was registered in his name. Et viola, as far as they are concerned he's still alive. Not wanting to confuse matters, I ticked the no change option. Another oddity I noticed was the occupancy start date was at 1.1.21? When I looked to change this, none of the options fitted so I left it. I don't know why they bother collecting data when they don't record it accurately. You ticked the no change option ?
You should have changed the ownership of the property to your name, seeing as your husband had died . It will take a while before it is changed, I would have expected that the Notaire would have informed the Tax office , but it won't be changed yet .
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