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Post by cernunnos on Jan 27, 2023 18:28:18 GMT 1
Really, I'd guess most holiday home Brits would be paying well over 1K for their property taxes. Maybe confusion here, this thread is a wee bit disjointed in places. My comment above was with reference to the comment "648 million live below the poverty line of $2.15/day" made by cernunnos. I would assume people living at that level would not own holiday homes. Nor do they live in Europe as do everyone on this site . So who is the " other half " that you said some folk don't know about ?
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Post by cernunnos on Jan 27, 2023 18:31:44 GMT 1
Surely , it is very simple , go online and check that the info is correct , then OK it. If necessary , create a log on .
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Post by JohnnyD on Jan 27, 2023 18:37:37 GMT 1
Surely it's relatively simple, if you are not registered online, you get all correspondence by post? I used to get paper tax bills sent to my address in the UK before I registered with groovy gouv online, so they will contact you by post to say you must do this before x date? If you have not kept French authorities up to date with contact details, either electronic or postal, that is entirely your fault?
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Post by cernunnos on Jan 27, 2023 18:51:14 GMT 1
Surely it's relatively simple, if you are not registered online, you get all correspondence by post? I used to get paper tax bills sent to my address in the UK before I registered with groovy gouv online, so they will contact you by post to say you must do this before x date? If you have not kept French authorities up to date with contact details, either electronic or postal, that is entirely your fault? Hurrah ! Well said JohnnyD
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Post by houpla on Jan 27, 2023 19:03:45 GMT 1
Surely the government already has the information they are now seeking as the communes have a record of who owns what and what is what? Where there might be lacunae is over which properties are being used to gain income in some way, either long term or short term. Only if they have records of permis de construire or déc préalable! What about the millions upon millions of non -declared constructions? This exercise also serves as another way of bringing all that up to date, like the spy helicopters etc. Nothing at all to do with clawing in fines and, ultimately, hiking the Taxe Foncière to recuperate the income lost on Taxe d'Hab. Oh nononono
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Post by mangetout on Jan 27, 2023 19:19:50 GMT 1
When my husband died at the beginning of October I wrote to our local tax office, enclosing a copy of his death certificate. Today I thought I'd try to get into our account to deal with this new declaration request. On the off chance I used his identifier info because it was registered in his name. Et viola, as far as they are concerned he's still alive. Not wanting to confuse matters, I ticked the no change option. Another oddity I noticed was the occupancy start date was at 1.1.21? When I looked to change this, none of the options fitted so I left it. I don't know why they bother collecting data when they don't record it accurately. You ticked the no change option ?
You should have changed the ownership of the property to your name, seeing as your husband had died . It will take a while before it is changed, I would have expected that the Notaire would have informed the Tax office , but it won't be changed yet .
I disagree. Until the Acte de Succession is signed I am not the total owner if the property. I have reported his death to the Notaire, to the tax authorities, to CPAM and the prefecture. I don't think I can be accused of trying to hide anything, do you?
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Post by exile on Jan 27, 2023 20:00:57 GMT 1
The tax account exists already whether the property owner/tax payer accesses it or not. I'm aware the fiscal number is on the fonciere and habitation bills but until someone actually creates a log-in etc you can't make the required declaration. The purpose of the questions is solely to know whether I need to notify my clients of this new requirement or not. And creating a log in seems to be impossible unless you have made a tax declaration because you need numbers that are provided on the avis des impots and on the declaration forms. I tried to register last night but failed I think because one of the numbers was from an old declaration. [The latest one was taken and not returned when I pointed out a small error.]
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Post by cernunnos on Jan 27, 2023 20:09:41 GMT 1
You ticked the no change option ?
You should have changed the ownership of the property to your name, seeing as your husband had died . It will take a while before it is changed, I would have expected that the Notaire would have informed the Tax office , but it won't be changed yet .
I disagree. Until the Acte de Succession is signed I am not the total owner if the property. I have reported his death to the Notaire, to the tax authorities, to CPAM and the prefecture. I don't think I can be accused of trying to hide anything, do you? Nope , I didn't say that, but you said it was their fault . You are way ahead of the French paperwork system , it will take a while before it is all organised.
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Post by mangetout on Jan 27, 2023 20:44:53 GMT 1
But the property isn't mine until the Acte of Succession is complete. My husband may not still live here physically but he is still legally half owner. He died 4 months ago, in the most distressing circumstances. I wouldn't have let a dog die the way he did. I hand delivered the letter to the tax office on the 20 October. If they can't get it together in that time then they can go to hell.
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Post by pcpa on Jan 27, 2023 21:21:44 GMT 1
I didn't have a "no change" option.
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Post by pcpa on Jan 27, 2023 21:30:51 GMT 1
I don't think I can be accused of trying to hide anything, do you? On a forum you will be accused of anything that people get off on accusing others of, you can be told that you must inform your customers etc. Rather like the government writing "Vous devez.............." on an obscure part of the impôts site that most will not even have known the existance of, "vous devez" usually means we want you to, we cant make you, so we want to scare you into doing it because that always works very well for us. We will et the 99% compliance that we always do and wont waste our time and effort fining the 1%, the fines are just there to ensure compliance, thats why we always make them a frightening amount. Except for it wont be a frightening amount for those they are really interested in, those who have seek to hide their patrimoine, this measure will give them a route to investigate them but it means having to put out everyone else and create anxiety in many.
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Post by lapourtaider on Jan 28, 2023 1:05:05 GMT 1
I didn't have a "no change" option. So far at least three of us have had a no change option, go figure 🤔
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Post by pcpa on Jan 28, 2023 1:19:13 GMT 1
Could you enlighten me on what you are trying to express please?
I just went back and checked in case I was mistaken, there was no "No Change" option, then I thought perhaps I had to go further within the déclaration, this is as far as I could go and there was still no "No change" option and given these choices I don't see how there could be.
Merci de préciser l’occupation du bien : * Votre bien est-il loué ? Propriétaire occupant à titre de résidence principale Propriétaire occupant à titre de résidence secondaire Bien vacant (non meublé et non occupé) Occupé à titre gratuit Loué
And on the page prior to that is says "Nous ne disposons d'aucune information sur l'occupation de ce bien"
Considering that I have been paying taxes foncières & taxe d'habitation on it for 18 years & the bills are always in my name then they must be voyants and don't need my help doing déclarations for them!
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Post by cernunnos on Jan 28, 2023 9:29:56 GMT 1
We must be paid up well loved citizens of France ? We have a choice of " Aucun changement ou Nouvelle situation " right at the start of each declaration .
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Post by JohnnyD on Jan 28, 2023 9:42:07 GMT 1
Mine has been split into 3 on the site, the house, the cave and the outbuilding/garage, do I fill them in all the same? Obviously no one lives in the cave or the outbuilding/garage
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