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Post by Polarengineer on Jan 28, 2023 17:16:24 GMT 1
Another reason to buy French cat food.
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Post by exile on Jan 28, 2023 17:48:03 GMT 1
You might have to explain that one if it was aimed at me. Most of what my cats eat is Aussi bon qui beau.
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Post by Nifty on Jan 28, 2023 17:57:17 GMT 1
All governments have ignored the ticking time bomb for decades. The demographic crisis was first explained to me in the mid 80's, the situation was dire even then and clearly was going to get much much worse unless the retirement age was raised immediately to 70. So it's not really a ticking time bomb but one that has been erupting for decades, most of my working life. You could say that some so called Government has cashed in on it. I would call in ignorant in one sense, fraudulent in another. Never mind cats. It is a dog-eat-dog world that many inhabit.
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Post by houpla on Jan 28, 2023 19:09:10 GMT 1
Could I propose another solution? That the Amazons, Googles and Microsofts/Apples of this world (or their obscenely rich proprietors) are asked to contribute to a massive fund earmarked solely for that purpose. A sort of 'thankyou' from them to the people who made them obscenely rich in the first place I can dream..... While I agree and their tax revenues should be a lot closer to their markets, the question is who would pay for those extra taxes? If you think they would just take a hit on their profits, then think again. It would be the customer who would by one way or another have to pay the extra. As an example, Ebay are now charging VAT on cross border sales through the GSP. I bought an item for £16 off the .co.uk site. I ended up paying £42 all in for delivery to France. Taxation by stealth. It would only be the customer paying if they choose to buy/use those products. If the customers make clear to these Companies that they'll go elsewhere when prices are hiked, it could work. Personally, I can live with taxation on consumer goods because at least I do have a choice in the matter. What I'm getting utterly peed off with are the Government taxes, hidden or open. It's relentless from the cradle to the grave and beyond, there's no opting- out (short of becoming a traveller) and it's getting to the point where ordinary people on modest incomes simply can't afford to heat their homes or feed themselves properly with the amount of income they've got left when the Gov has bled them dry.
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Post by Nifty on Jan 28, 2023 20:22:48 GMT 1
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Post by houpla on Jan 28, 2023 20:27:29 GMT 1
In that case, they've got infinitely more sense than the idiots that impose a vegan diet on a carnivorous animal.
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Post by Nifty on Jan 28, 2023 20:30:41 GMT 1
They have to claw back some of the disproportionate losses that they are not getting the real experience of.
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Post by exile on Jan 28, 2023 21:30:08 GMT 1
houpla"It would only be the customer paying if they choose to buy/use those products. If the customers make clear to these Companies that they'll go elsewhere when prices are hiked, it could work. Personally, I can live with taxation on consumer goods because at least I do have a choice in the matter. What I'm getting utterly peed off with are the Government taxes, hidden or open. It's relentless from the cradle to the grave and beyond, there's no opting- out (short of becoming a traveller) and it's getting to the point where ordinary people on modest incomes simply can't afford to heat their homes or feed themselves properly with the amount of income they've got left when the Gov has bled them dry." You are right as far has customers have choice or the willpower to search the world for a better(and possibly tax avoiding) deal. The example I gave above, I have never seen anywhere else to offer the objects I bought. I did know the add on price before purchase and decided to still go for it because I wanted the items (quite scarce but at the same time not widely sought - quite possibly the seller may not have found another buyer for months) and the seller was a charity organisation which I had no problem supporting with the original purchase price.
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Post by mysty on Jan 28, 2023 23:08:59 GMT 1
You have all missed the most important point. Who is going to give the average 68 year old a job when you could get someone younger fitter and computer savvy and can use a computer and smart phone do his own laces and does not pretend it was not him who farted.😁
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Post by pcpa on Jan 29, 2023 0:16:19 GMT 1
Glasgow has the lowest male life expectancy in the UK at 73.1 so living your whole life there you lose 7 years compared to London and the SE which is quite shocking given the retirement age is now 67. Life expectancy of 7 years less does not mean that people are going to die 7 years earlier after reaching retirement age, the average is skewed by infant mortality and particularly drug, alcohol, tobacco, obesity related deaths in young adults. I wish I knew what the real figure was but out of say 1000 65 year olds in both locations I dont think there would be a massive amount more dying in 12 months in Glasgow but if you took 1000 25 year olds there might be a big difference.
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Post by Nifty on Jan 29, 2023 2:17:49 GMT 1
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Post by tim17 on Jan 29, 2023 8:03:22 GMT 1
Glasgow has the lowest male life expectancy in the UK at 73.1 so living your whole life there you lose 7 years compared to London and the SE which is quite shocking given the retirement age is now 67. Life expectancy of 7 years less does not mean that people are going to die 7 years earlier after reaching retirement age, the average is skewed by infant mortality and particularly drug, alcohol, tobacco, obesity related deaths in young adults. I wish I knew what the real figure was but out of say 1000 65 year olds in both locations I dont think there would be a massive amount more dying in 12 months in Glasgow but if you took 1000 25 year olds there might be a big difference. Perhaps I should have phrased things better, what I was trying to say was that today a male born in Glasgow who spends there whole life there will have on average a much shorter retirement (by 7 seven years) than a counterpart born and living in London etc.
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Post by pcpa on Jan 29, 2023 13:33:37 GMT 1
You seem to have understood the concept but what you say is still incorrect and misleading, perhaps a difficulty with wording, I have the same problem explaining the infant mortality effect.
What you said could only be true if every male born in Glasgow lived to retirement age and not one of them died in the 66 years before.
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Post by lindalovely on Jan 30, 2023 12:55:41 GMT 1
This provides some interesting data, including the effect of covid on life expectancy. www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/healthandlifeexpectancies/bulletins/lifeexpectancyforlocalareasoftheuk/between2001to2003and2018to2020No one really understands why people in places like Glascow have a shorter life expectancy, because even when you allow for factors such as early mortality, poverty and lifestyle people from Glascow still die younger. When you reduce retirement age life expectancy is just one part of it. It is years in good health that is more important. And whilst many 65 plus people are capable of working, I am not sure how many could do very physically demanding or very stressful jobs. To enable people to work longer employers will have to start to be more flexible with regard to hours worked, with perhaps more part time and home working considered. Also, a lot of younger retired people are involved in caring roles for older or younger family members.
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Post by triumphant on Feb 5, 2023 9:20:13 GMT 1
You have all missed the most important point. Who is going to give the average 68 year old a job when you could get someone younger fitter and computer savvy and can use a computer and smart phone do his own laces and does not pretend it was not him who farted.😁 I'm 70 in less than 3 weeks and I'm starting a new job tomorrow going offshore North Sea. Maybe they didn't see my dob, I did use Roman Numerals!
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