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Post by mysty on Feb 8, 2023 8:31:26 GMT 1
78% of road deaths are caused by men. ATS drives slow and carefully but did get beeped then overtaken in a town yesterday where she had not done anything wrong. There is a good article in the guardian but I cannot copy it on my phone as I'm stupid. 😃
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Post by mysty on Feb 8, 2023 8:46:04 GMT 1
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Post by Nifty on Feb 8, 2023 9:05:43 GMT 1
‘ Speed, alcohol, drugs, fatigue … what if we need to add masculinity?’ asks road safety body
I ask what else is there in life and what sort of body has road safety got?
“It’s striking how certain stereotypes are persistently passed from father to son, including the car as a symbolic object of masculinity, male identity and virility. This isn’t given much thought and yet we can see the far-reaching impact on accidents.”
Tell me about it. I saw very little of my father in my life.I met him on no more than a dozen occasions.
My mother told me that I was just like he was. I still don’t know if she was referring to my father or stepfather. They were rather different characters.
Edit. I tracked down some of my father's girlfriends and their children. One of them wrote and told me about his ‘northern sense of humour’, whatever that is.
and, to get back to the point, Marketing has a lot to answer for.
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Post by monsieur3seas on Feb 8, 2023 9:51:24 GMT 1
Perhaps statisticians could look at this to see if males drive more than females hence adding to the risk of males having more, causing more, accidents.
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Post by Nifty on Feb 8, 2023 12:40:30 GMT 1
The main problem with statistics is that with skilful and knowledgable usage they can be used to further many propositions. If this has been done with any bias, I think that only those with a more complete understanding of them are able to see when this is the case.
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Post by woolybanana on Feb 8, 2023 13:21:09 GMT 1
Take your numbers just before and after kiddy pick up time at school; I suspect that they would change dramatically.
FU2, this is intuitive and experiential
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Post by ForumUser2 on Feb 8, 2023 14:00:22 GMT 1
FU2, this is intuitive and experiential Therefore meaningless.
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Post by woolybanana on Feb 8, 2023 15:15:47 GMT 1
FU2, your faith in numbers is touching but frequently as reliable as thin ice for walking. Example: The small lane in front of my house attracts a certain amount of traffic; to control the speed there used to be two speed bumps but one has been removed at the request of some residents. Since that event the traffic speed has on average increased markedly as drivers put their feet down when they have got past the remaining speed bump. I observe this daily. Maximum traffic is at school finishing time as the school is at the end of the road. Most of the drivers at that time are women! So what so we measure and when? At least four things I can think of? But are they relevant and do they represent the situation accurately?
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Post by ForumUser2 on Feb 8, 2023 15:29:06 GMT 1
FU2, your faith in numbers is touching but frequently as reliable as thin ice for walking. Example: The small lane in front of my house attracts a certain amount of traffic; to control the speed there used to be two speed bumps but one has been removed at the request of some residents. Since that event the traffic speed has on average increased markedly as drivers put their feet down when they have got past the remaining speed bump. I observe this daily. Maximum traffic is at school finishing time as the school is at the end of the road. Most of the drivers at that time are women! So what so we measure and when? At least four things I can think of? But are they relevant and do they represent the situation accurately? And that links to the OP how?
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Post by woolybanana on Feb 8, 2023 15:40:15 GMT 1
Had the numbers been taken at a certain time of day it is highly likely that the women drivers would have been “proved” to be the fastest drivers and perhaps therefore more prone to accidents if they are related to excess speed.
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Post by exile on Feb 8, 2023 16:41:19 GMT 1
Er no Wooly. Your lack of grasp of statistics shows to be rather thin.
Allow me to explain; If in the period you write about, 50 women drive through at 55kph (range 40-60)and one single male drives through at 70kph. Males drive faster. What you might deduce however is that more women drive than men.
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Post by ForumUser2 on Feb 8, 2023 17:17:09 GMT 1
Had the numbers been taken at a certain time of day it is highly likely that the women drivers would have been “proved” to be the fastest drivers and perhaps therefore more prone to accidents if they are related to excess speed. Indeed, if you choose a time like that to skew results you are not producing a statistic you are engaged in confirmation bias. But all of which is largely irrelevant to the OP's position. Indeed, if you were correct that so many women are driving at such dangerous times yet account for just 22% of deaths it makes the male drivers look even worse. Which it doesn't because your observations are wholly irrelevant to the initial subject. Incidentally, all those who claim you can prove anything with statistics clearly fail to understand statistics. Now, false statistics or biased interpretation on the other hand...
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Post by ForumUser2 on Feb 8, 2023 17:19:39 GMT 1
One other point on stats. Since when did median mean average? It seems to be the done thing now to report the median figure for something when what is meant is the mean (or average).
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Post by Aardvark on Feb 8, 2023 17:52:35 GMT 1
I've never fallen for the old "speed kills" mantra. Poor driving skills and/or bad judgement is the killer. I have known some women who were pretty aggressive drivers but never put a single scratch on a car.
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Post by mysty on Feb 8, 2023 18:34:20 GMT 1
Surely if 75% of dead drivers are male then men cause more deaths by dangerous driving. It's not like the Gendarme do not count road deaths on school runs.
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