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Post by exile on Feb 24, 2023 11:57:52 GMT 1
Playing devils advocat, do the independant greengrocers, if they even still exist, have vegetables? Rumour has it that some UK independents - not necessarily solely green grocers - had been going to supermarkets and buying up their salad stocks to resell in their own shops because the local trade markets had become too expensive. Hence the limits placed by the supermarkets on the number of items you can buy- after all I would struggle to consume 3 cucumbers before they went off, let alone the customer who tried to buy 100!
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Post by jackie on Feb 24, 2023 12:03:51 GMT 1
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Post by pcpa on Feb 24, 2023 12:12:32 GMT 1
Mr Hagon said Reg The Veg had a period of low stock a few weeks ago when supermarkets were selling the vegetables at a lower price.
But since the wholesale price has reportedly nearly doubled, averaging at £15 before and now as much as £30, Mr Hagon said supermarkets 'won't pay it', while greengrocers, like Reg The Veg, will.
He said: 'We had shortages due to availability and low numbers about three weeks ago and supermarkets were still pumping out vegetables at low prices.
'It's got to the point where now supermarkets can't buy it at the right price as it's increased so much.
'It is available they just won't pay the money for it.
'Whereas we can, and we can then supply our customers and pass on the slight increase in price.
'We've still had to increase our own prices in some areas - cherry vine tomatoes are now £9.99 a kilo which is around double the normal price.
'We do say to customers that these peppers or tomatoes for example can be quite expensive but they're happy to pay that.
'Of course, nationally it's very difficult because of the volumes that supermarkets get in, but if they're quoted £25 or £30 pounds for a wholesale shipment, and they wont pay for it.'
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Post by lindalovely on Feb 24, 2023 15:02:55 GMT 1
so if a country such as the UK, now outside of the single market, falls outside this protection, then it is not a surprise that shortages are more severe there. As said on another posting of mine; no veg and fruit shortages up here in the far north of England where we live. I don't live in the UK so I wouldn't know, but no one seems to be denying that there are shortages of some things in some places. Just yesterday Theresa Coffrey said in parliament that people should eat turnips instead of tomatoes and the supermarkets have said that shortages may last until April, so who am I to disagree with them. I also understand from friends that there are no shortages in the the smaller shops, who have a different supply chain. The food supply chain in the UK is something Jay Rayner has been writing about for years. These are his thoughts: " A bit of a summary. As a result of various govt policies over decades a dozen or so supermarket businesses now control 95% of food retail. They have used that power to undermine the financial base of UK farming. Self sufficiency has fallen because we haven't paid enough. 2/The supermarkets assumed they could always source from abroad because we had financial muscle. But a) other economies - China, India - emerged to buy the crops we used to buy and b) Brexit shoved us to the back of the queue. Make no mistake. This IS systemically about Brexit 3/ The UK gov has historically never prioritised Agriculture. A 2006 Cabinet Office report under Labour into food security, was nicknamed the 'leave it to Tesco' report because it basically said we could always buy our way out of any crisis. 4/That failure continues. We can grow salad veg under glass in the UK year round, reducing our dependency on imports. But the govt chose not to help growers with their energy bills, because they have never understood food security. 5/Justin King formerly of Sainsbury's summarised it nicely on @bbcr4today this morning. Slight cause for eye rolling because I do see supermarkets and their buying policies over decades as significantly culpable. Here's a nice summary plus screenshots 6/ theguardian.com/business/live/2023/feb/23/uk-shortages-fruit-vegetables-supermarkets-bae-systems-inflation-stock-markets-business-live?filterKeyEvents=false&page=with:block-63f709028f08ea98983aa7c7#block-63f709028f08ea98983aa7c 7In short, I bloody told you so. Which perhaps isn't helpful. But it's all I've got. Here's a link to the book where I really got into it. It's ten years old. But what do you know? it's not out of date. 7/ endsWhich sort of makes my point about it being a combination of factors. The least important is probably the weather, because there has always been 'weather'. The question British residents should be asking is why their supplies are iffy and all over the rest of Europe they aren't. Even Ukraine is managing to get enough fruit and vegetables on to the shelves at the moment. And just to be clear, the bit related to Brexit is that prior to Brexit British buyers (the supermarkets) had the clout to buy what ever they wanted as they were part of a massive trading block. Now they aren't..and other big(ger) players have also entered the market. If China and the Eu offer to buy all your tomatoes or turnips and then Britain comes in and offers the same money or less for a tiny percentage of your produce what do you say? And I use the term Britain deliberately, because at the moment it appears that there are no shortages in NI and Ireland who are still part of the single market.
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Post by ForumUser2 on Feb 24, 2023 15:20:59 GMT 1
Why whinge about food shortages when you've got a blue passport? Remember the important things.
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Post by ForumUser2 on Feb 24, 2023 15:24:02 GMT 1
No sign of fruit and veg shortages at Morrison's this morning. However, in common with all the supermarkets there are plenty of empty shelves throughout the store - the products in short supply vary from week to week. Clearly there is a transport/supply issue that remains unresolved.
Are European supermarkets suffering similar issues?
I'm in Ireland next week. Be interesting to see if they are similarly affected.
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Post by exile on Feb 24, 2023 15:47:32 GMT 1
Ireland is reported to be suffering some shortage as well - but then most of their supplies have historically been shipped through GB. lindalovely 's post makes good points except "2 /The supermarkets assumed they could always source from abroad because we had financial muscle. But a) other economies - China, India - emerged to buy the crops we used to buy and b) Brexit shoved us to the back of the queue. Make no mistake. This IS systemically about Brexit" I accept that there is a systemic problem of purchase power. It does not really apply to fresh produce* and I can categorically assure all of you that China and India are not buying up all of the salad crops for their own usage - well not unless they intend to have it delivered as part prepared compost. * which is sold through large central markets - except for those who think they are big enough to bypass this route and buy direct. Of course if the market price is above the price that the direct buyers are prepared to pay then the big supermarkets don't get the goods. This is also why small traders in the UK have no problem of supply, they are prepared to pay the new market rate due to the bad weather.
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Post by gigi on Feb 24, 2023 15:59:02 GMT 1
The only salad-type food I buy in winter is tomatoes; not been shopping for several weeks due to having a replacement knee, but the shopping lists my husband has gone to the local shops with every couple of days has had tomatoes on each time - none available.
Today was my first outing as far as the shops, following a short walk round the football pitches; into our small suburban M&S Food store and there were organic tomatoes in 200g packs at £2.50 each. Wow, £10 per kilo, expensive!
They also had 2 cucumbers on the fridge shelves alongside the tomatoes, a few packs of ready-prepared salads, but the long display fridges were otherwise empty.
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Post by lindalovely on Feb 24, 2023 16:03:10 GMT 1
Ireland is reported to be suffering some shortage as well - but then most of their supplies have historically been shipped through GB. lindalovely 's post makes good points except "2 /The supermarkets assumed they could always source from abroad because we had financial muscle. But a) other economies - China, India - emerged to buy the crops we used to buy and b) Brexit shoved us to the back of the queue. Make no mistake. This IS systemically about Brexit" I accept that there is a systemic problem of purchase power. It does not really apply to fresh produce* and I can categorically assure all of you that China and India are not buying up all of the salad crops for their own usage - well not unless they intend to have it delivered as part prepared compost. * which is sold through large central markets - except for those who think they are big enough to bypass this route and buy direct. Of course if the market price is above the price that the direct buyers are prepared to pay then the big supermarkets don't get the goods. This is also why small traders in the UK have no problem of supply, they are prepared to pay the new market rate due to the bad weather. I think the salad crop issue is a bit of a side issue. With those great big Dutch owned polytunnels in Thanet the UK really shouldn't be short of tasteless tomatoes, forced cucumbers and lettuce and if they are it is entirely a problem down to their own infrastructure. China, India and other markets do hold sway with other produce though.. they are no longer poor countries and a lot of the stuff they produce and export they will keep at home if there is a shortage. I was reading about a potential shortage of onions in Europe due to the floods in Pakistan, Apparently a lot of onions are imported from Pakistan but now they are forbidden to export them. It will be interesting to see whether the shortage is felt differently throughout Europe. I may well change my decision about whether to grow onions in my vegetable plot this year. Originally they were not economical to grow as they can be purchased so cheaply, but that may not be the case this year! The UK has a population the same size as France and less than half the agricultural land which which to feed themselves. France is talking about trying to be less dependent on imports for food.. I don't get the same sense of urgency from the UK.
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Post by JohnnyD on Feb 24, 2023 16:16:48 GMT 1
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Post by Nifty on Feb 24, 2023 18:12:16 GMT 1
Turnips! I thought that they were for pigs and cows.
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Post by Aardvark on Feb 24, 2023 18:39:40 GMT 1
It will be tough going to produce a Bolognaise sauce from turnips.
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Post by Nifty on Feb 24, 2023 22:01:48 GMT 1
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Post by lindalovely on Feb 25, 2023 15:19:24 GMT 1
An interesting article here about how Ireland and Northern France have benefited from Brexit. www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/feb/25/ports-france-ireland-brexit-cherbourg-rosslareThe relevance to this thread is, whatever your views as to whether Brexit is a direct cause of the current salad shortage in the UK, there is no doubt that other countries and people were well aware of the potential threats and opportunities posed by Brexit and got in there and planned for it..in a way the the UK has seemed spectacularly unable to to do (maybe because it was never able to acknowledge any of the downsides). There is also an interesting thread on Twitter, by Daniel Lambert (wine importer who used to be based in the UK but had to move his business to France after Brexit in order for it to stay viable..ie someone who didn't just stick his head in the sand about the consequences). The gist of it is below (without the pictures " So@skynews: you wanted to see if there are food shortages in the EU. So here are my photos taken on Tuesday in Bridgend Sainsbury’s and today in Intermarche in Jacou, Southern France. Now @theresecoffey may want to blame the weather, but I suggest you reconsider. Here is the photos I took from Bridgend ( I should say it was the same at Waitrose Cowbridge and Tesco in Cardiff).(Pictures of empty shelves…And now let’s have a little look at this morning shop where everything was in stock I wanted…(Intermarche in France..with two videos of counters brimming with salad and tomatoes). There is no food shortage in the EU, literally you have video evidence! Moreover yet Again the Tories are gaslighting you and yup you guessed it, the reason for UK shortages is 100% to do with government border controls and #Brexit. But they don’t want to tell you that…The government have not just gaslit the country they are literally stopping UK supermarkets from being able to function correctly. I know how hard there buyers work and its not their fault. This is on every Brexiteer and the the corrupt Tory government who lie at will. Daniel's details of his experiences with trying to operate his business from the UK during the brexit transition and just after are also worth reading
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Post by cernunnos on Feb 25, 2023 20:10:00 GMT 1
Turnips! I thought that they were for pigs and cows. Turnips are a cruciferous vegetable with multiple health benefits. They boast an impressive nutritional profile, and their bioactive compounds, such as glucosinolates, may support blood sugar control, protect against harmful bacteria, and provide anticancer and anti-inflammatory effects!
So there!
You have obviously never had the famous Scottish haggis with Neeps and tatties , a classic Scottish dish – the 'neeps' means swede or turnip and the 'tatties' refer to potatoes.
We grow and eat turnips every year.
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