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Post by mysty on Feb 25, 2023 7:36:25 GMT 1
It's not as safe as you think.
We had a nice old French couple who have been living in a small house for about seven years.
The owner who is very old said he would not sell the property just now but sold them a tiny barn opposite the house a couple of years ago.
The owner then gave the house to his daughter by usifruit possibly spelt wrong.
She told them they need to find another property as the house does not conform for renting.
They moved out but had hoped to live there until they died or could buy the house.
I always thought you were well protected in France.
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Post by cernunnos on Feb 25, 2023 9:00:44 GMT 1
You are , they can't ( couldn't ) be moved out.
La protection du locataire âgé est applicable à tous les contrats vides et meublés quelle que soit leur date de signature. Mais elle n’entre en jeu qu’à condition que celui-ci remplisse deux critères cumulatifs :
Être âgé de plus de 65 ans à la date d’échéance du contrat de location ;
Avoir des ressources inférieures aux plafonds définis appréciées à la date de notification du préavis.
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Post by lapourtaider on Feb 25, 2023 9:05:06 GMT 1
IMHO they were either seen off or there's a bit more to the story.
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Post by suein56 on Feb 25, 2023 9:17:38 GMT 1
Unfortunately there are some people/couples who are taken advantage of due to their ignorance of the laws protecting them.
I had a hell of a battle with a nasty inheritor of the flat an aged friend of mine lives in.
This woman scared my friend by simply arriving one day and instructing her to leave.
But I know a lot about renters' rights and fought back consulting the Notaire and then using the Conciliateur de Justice.
My friend is still in the flat, albeit with new proprietors - which affects her lease not a jot.
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Post by cernunnos on Feb 25, 2023 9:37:37 GMT 1
The old folk were scared out of their house mysty2
False news.
France is a very good country for it's old people!
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Post by Nifty on Feb 25, 2023 9:57:38 GMT 1
IMHO they were either seen off or there's a bit more to the story. IMO one can never know the full story with absolute certainty. |
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Post by Le-Dolly on Feb 25, 2023 10:08:05 GMT 1
Due to the difficulty of removing elderly tenants, we never let to anyone over 45 years old.
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Post by Aardvark on Feb 25, 2023 10:17:35 GMT 1
IMHO they were either seen off or there's a bit more to the story. For instance maybe not having any written contract. |
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Post by mysty on Feb 25, 2023 10:23:33 GMT 1
You are , they can't ( couldn't ) be moved out. La protection du locataire âgé est applicable à tous les contrats vides et meublés quelle que soit leur date de signature. Mais elle n’entre en jeu qu’à condition que celui-ci remplisse deux critères cumulatifs : Être âgé de plus de 65 ans à la date d’échéance du contrat de location ; Avoir des ressources inférieures aux plafonds définis appréciées à la date de notification du préavis. They are early 60s, they were told there is no insulation in the house and it no longer conforms. There may be other reasons they have not mentioned. |
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Post by suein56 on Feb 25, 2023 11:39:58 GMT 1
They are early 60s, they were told there is no insulation in the house and it no longer conforms. There may be other reasons they have not mentioned. As Aardvark says it sounds like this couple might not have had a legal contract or else the new owner doesn't know the regulations.
Under the existing rules - with a legal contract - the couple can only be chucked out at the anniversary of the lease (normally every 3 years) if given 6 months notice of eviction by the owner. Under the new rules regarding insulation : the owner has to adhere if there is a new contract and bring the property up to a conforming level.
An existing contract can be continued if the tenants agree - but it's dicey as if the existing tenants complain then the owner has to uprate the property.
He can ask them to move out temporarily while works are done but must find them an equivalent temporary place to stay.
Most owners don't want to make costly adjustments so they are ousting the tenants and putting the properties up for sale as soon (next year ?) it won't be legal to market such properties without them having been uprated.
If there is no legal contract then it's everyone for themselves.
As to this couple whether there is a contract or not they do have tenants' rights but they need to know them and use them to help them stay put - if that's what they want to do.
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Post by cernunnos on Feb 25, 2023 11:43:11 GMT 1
You are , they can't ( couldn't ) be moved out. La protection du locataire âgé est applicable à tous les contrats vides et meublés quelle que soit leur date de signature. Mais elle n’entre en jeu qu’à condition que celui-ci remplisse deux critères cumulatifs : Être âgé de plus de 65 ans à la date d’échéance du contrat de location ; Avoir des ressources inférieures aux plafonds définis appréciées à la date de notification du préavis. They are early 60s, they were told there is no insulation in the house and it no longer conforms. There may be other reasons they have not mentioned. Aaah , so you must be a very young person ? Seeing as you posted that they were "a nice old French couple" but they are not old at all !  |
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Post by Nifty on Feb 25, 2023 12:13:16 GMT 1
‘ Under the new rules regarding insulation : the owner has to adhere if there is a new contract and bring the property up to a conforming level.’
Suddenly, a reason appears as to why our landlord looks to be trying to sell our rented flat along with several others in the same block.
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Post by mysty on Feb 25, 2023 13:16:01 GMT 1
They are early 60s, they were told there is no insulation in the house and it no longer conforms. There may be other reasons they have not mentioned. Aaah , so you must be a very young person ? Seeing as you posted that they were "a nice old French couple" but they are not old at all ! Apparently I'm told they are the same age as us. 😃 We are all getting old like me I'm sure your body hurts after a hard day's work but good to go the following day. That's the sign of getting old. When you can no longer put your socks on yourself the end is near. |
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Post by Aardvark on Feb 25, 2023 18:22:28 GMT 1
I have a different description of getting old. I can't manage more than half a day's work and feel wrecked at the end of it. I feel even worse the next day after a night's sleep.
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Post by cernunnos on Feb 25, 2023 18:28:42 GMT 1
Aaah , so you must be a very young person ? Seeing as you posted that they were "a nice old French couple" but they are not old at all ! Apparently I'm told they are the same age as us. 😃 We are all getting old like me I'm sure your body hurts after a hard day's work but good to go the following day. That's the sign of getting old. When you can no longer put your socks on yourself the end is near. My body is fine at the end of the day , it's the aches in the morning , but once the circulation gets going and the porridge is in , things get a lot better . At least I don't have to get up at 4:30 as I used to and our sheep are very well mannered.  |
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