exile
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Post by exile on Feb 28, 2023 20:46:20 GMT 1
Please could someone tell me if this certificate is required for cars that are visiting France for several weeks each year, from UK. The sites referenced in these posts are quite interesting and I started to complete the application but stopped when it asked for my car’s reference number. I am sure it will be on my registration document though that will have to wait for a trip into the driveway. Thanks. It is required by all cars travelling through a designated area (the site tells you which cities are involved - 16 or so) on days when the air quality is such that the requirement to have a certificate is deemed necessary. The nearest to me is Lyon and the required days tend to be in July/August and again at the peak ski holiday weekends - but only if there is high pressure and very still air, which stops the noxious air from dispersing. Even then, the A6 and A7 through the centre of the city as well as the Rocarde Est bypass are exempt - which on busy days are the prime causes of the said noxious air. Go figure.
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Post by gigi on Feb 28, 2023 20:50:56 GMT 1
We have one, bought as we usually drive to the south of France via Lyon, where it can be needed, although we haven’t driven to our French home since Covid arrived. I expect I need to check the date - it could have run out or might do soon. I was informed that the sticker is good for the life of the vehicle. I think you’re right! Thanks for the reminder - not that we’ll be driving down any time soon, as we’ve quite enjoyed flying a couple of times.
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Post by pcpa on Feb 28, 2023 21:19:13 GMT 1
If you go through somewhere that you need the critair then you could be fined of your stopped. You have more chance of winning the lottery! Critair like most things works through compliance and many peoples desire to seek hoops to jump through, all you are doing by displaying the sticker is to show to the world your vehicles emission group so that you will stand out like a sore thumb on a high pollution day when that group is prohibited. And you are paying for the priveledge of incriminating yourself. Were the government serious about it like say the London ULEZ zone then they would have ANPR cameras recording all vehicle movements and automatically sending out PV's, no need for a vignette because they know your CO2 rating from the info on the carte grise. No ANPR cameras, no roadblocks, no stopping of vehicles and a large proportion of vehicles in Critair cities won't be displaying a vignette.
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Post by Sizewell on Feb 28, 2023 21:25:24 GMT 1
When My daughter drove over from the UK last year, she required a crit air sticker driving through Rouen. I at the time noticed on a website quoting that going forward over the next few years that cars with certain crit air stickers will have a ban/restriction on passing through some areas. Having a quick search now I came up with this article mentioned in Explore France website:
Here is a summary of the measures in force (or soon to be introduced) in each of France's 11 Low Emission Zones:
In Paris and the Greater Paris area, the traffic ban on Crit'Air 3 cars will apply on 1 July 2023 (in addition to Crit'Air 4, 5 and non-classified vehicles already subject to restrictions). In Lyon, Crit'Air 5 and non-classified private vehicles are now affected by the traffic restrictions. Crit'Air 4, 3 and 2 vehicles will be progressively restricted between 2024 and 2026. In Marseille, Crit'Air 4 cars will be banned on 1 September 2023. In Toulouse, all Crit'Air 4, 5 and non-classified vehicles are affected by the traffic restrictions from 1 January 2023. In Strasbourg, Crit'Air 4 and 5 vehicles are banned from driving in the ZFE-m perimeter. In Nice, Crit'Air 5 and non-classified passenger cars are concerned by the restrictions since 1 January 2023. In Montpellier, Crit'Air 5 and non-classified vehicles are not allowed to drive since 1 January 2023. In Grenoble, the ban on Crit'Air 5 vehicles in the Low Emission Zone will take effect on 1 July 2023. In Rouen, all vehicles with a Crit'Air 4, 5 or non-classified sticker cannot be driven since 1 September 2022. A tolerance is motorised two-wheelers, tricycles and quadricycles until 31 August 2023. In Reims, the ban concerns Crit'Air 4 and 5 vehicles from 1 January 2023. In Saint-Etienne, private vehicles and two-wheelers are not affected by the restrictions. In addition, additional traffic restrictions may apply during pollution peaks.
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Post by pcpa on Feb 28, 2023 22:13:58 GMT 1
Makes my point nicely don't you think!
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Post by suein56 on Feb 28, 2023 23:17:10 GMT 1
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Post by lurcher on Mar 1, 2023 10:14:42 GMT 1
This has certainly opened my eyes to a regulation that I had not previously been aware. Thank you all for explaining where it is in operation. Apart from Rouen, it is unlikely to affect us during our usual journey but every year we try to visit other places which could easily include one or more of the large cities. It does seem to be a function of the calendar and weather conditions so we could organise our trips around that if necessary. Good to be aware of the situation. On a related matter concerning ULEZ in London, I checked my cars on their website and found that my old(54) petrol car is clear to enter but my newer(09), smaller, diesel car requires payment.
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Post by pcpa on Mar 1, 2023 11:55:01 GMT 1
Be aware that the site exists with the sole intention of scamming people into getting a vignette through them and paying a premium.
Yes there was one day where the Police Municipale de Paris operated un coup de poing (not sure I used the right noun) to generate publicity, create fear and compliance, it was done in one area and caused gridlock which further added to the publicity, it has not been repeated since, they don't need to, social media continues to do their dirty work for them.
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Post by beejay on Mar 1, 2023 14:44:41 GMT 1
Please could someone tell me if this certificate is required for cars that are visiting France for several weeks each year, from UK. The sites referenced in these posts are quite interesting and I started to complete the application but stopped when it asked for my car’s reference number. I am sure it will be on my registration document though that will have to wait for a trip into the driveway. Thanks.
All vehicles need a Crit'Air sticker if driven in towns OR ZONES that require it. For a UK car you submit a copy of the V5 with the application and it takes about 3 weeks to receive the sticker which must be stuck in the lower right hand corner of the windscreen.
The Lyons region is installing camera detection and others will, no doubt, follow. More locations will get Crit'Air requirements in the next year so, for the low cost involved, why hesitate?
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Post by pcpa on Mar 1, 2023 20:08:56 GMT 1
When My daughter drove over from the UK last year, she required a crit air sticker driving through Rouen In Rouen, all vehicles with a Crit'Air 4, 5 or non-classified sticker cannot be driven since 1 September 2022. A tolerance is motorised two-wheelers, tricycles and quadricycles until 31 August 2023. Even if your daughters visit was after September the above would not be true unless they had declared it was a jour de pic de pollution and I doubt they have even declared any yet, also I would be fairly confident that the A28 etc passing through Rouen will be exempt like the Périphérique de Paris & the main routes passing through all the other cities. More locations will get Crit'Air requirements in the next year so, for the low cost involved, why hesitate? Because it is not obligatory and why should you pay to incriminate yourself? If the cameras come in (which I guarantee they wont) they will not be checking to see if a vehicle is displaying a Crit-air sticker, they would be checking the number plate against the recorded emissions group for the vehicle but again only on the rare high pollution days. If the government said that all French residents with UK nationality should paint a yellow cross on their houses and on the back & front of their clothing would you do so? For the cost involved why hesitate?
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Post by robertarthur on Mar 1, 2023 21:45:07 GMT 1
@ pcpa, there are meteorological conditions making it obligatory. Imagine, you're on the autoroute A86 around Paris, your car decides to be a problem car, where to go to visit a garage? It's so easy to enter une Zone à Faibles Émissions (ZFE). Even if you choose a seat at the bar in a restaurant in Paris (if you decide to sit at a table it will be more expensive), the crit'air certificate will be cheaper than one beer.
Don't hesitate, in this regard I fully agree with beejay. Perhaps it has an invisible bonus point: it shows that you are a law-abiding citizen. Perhaps one day a gendarme would respond a little more kindly if he thought he should draw your attention to a minor infraction. An investment of only 4 euros could make a lot of money.....
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Post by garbo on Mar 1, 2023 21:57:45 GMT 1
PCPA. There are already ANPR cameras in Lyon. There are also lanes designated with a diamond on the overhead gantry which only vehicles with,2 persons in, a Crit air status I think below 4, taxis etc are allowed to use. This is not only on “rare high pollution days” . I travelled through last Wednesday when all was quiet but it still applied. I have a sticker & don’t find it onerous to comply with the regulations in the country where I am a guest. Frankly I’m not sure you know what you are talking about regarding paying to incriminate yourself. I find your last paragraph more than a little offensive.
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Post by mysty on Mar 2, 2023 7:40:54 GMT 1
If you go through somewhere that you need the critair then you could be fined of your stopped. You have more chance of winning the lottery! Critair like most things works through compliance and many peoples desire to seek hoops to jump through, all you are doing by displaying the sticker is to show to the world your vehicles emission group so that you will stand out like a sore thumb on a high pollution day when that group is prohibited. And you are paying for the priveledge of incriminating yourself. Were the government serious about it like say the London ULEZ zone then they would have ANPR cameras recording all vehicle movements and automatically sending out PV's, no need for a vignette because they know your CO2 rating from the info on the carte grise. No ANPR cameras, no roadblocks, no stopping of vehicles and a large proportion of vehicles in Critair cities won't be displaying a vignette. For a few euros to stay legal I would prefer to pay the critair and after reading Garbo's last post it appears you were wrong to say France does not have cameras to check the critair.
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Post by mysty on Mar 2, 2023 7:43:32 GMT 1
PCPA. There are already ANPR cameras in Lyon. There are also lanes designated with a diamond on the overhead gantry which only vehicles with,2 persons in, a Crit air status I think below 4, taxis etc are allowed to use. This is not only on “rare high pollution days” . I travelled through last Wednesday when all was quiet but it still applied. I have a sticker & don’t find it onerous to comply with the regulations in the country where I am a guest. Frankly I’m not sure you know what you are talking about regarding paying to incriminate yourself. I find your last paragraph more than a little offensive. I did not know that, we were in Toulouse in January and it was quite clear where you could not go without the critair.
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Post by lapourtaider on Mar 2, 2023 8:00:39 GMT 1
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