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Post by Polarengineer on Mar 6, 2023 17:43:35 GMT 1
This is an area of DIY that, for me, is a bit of a blank. Can anyone advise please? the project is to get internet to a remote building 250m away from the router. There is no line of sight. I am thinking of a buried fibre cable, but am lost as to what is required, there being so many choices. Do I need multiple fibres or just one, or even two for up and downloads. Is it wise to get a ready made cable and then which connectors? What kit is best to inject the signal and then extract it? The internet info available is all a bit confusing, well it is now I'm a bit past it. Who among you bright lads has done this sort of thing and can advise? Is there, maybe, an outfitthat can supply all the bits so that I can install them myself?
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Post by pcpa on Mar 6, 2023 18:48:54 GMT 1
Taking a very different lateral thinking approach.
Do you have a smartphone with a data allowance?
Is it usually with you when you are in said building or is it feasible to take it with you?
If so then try it as a wi-fi hotspot and you may no longer have the need for burying cables, routers, extenders etc.
I have been using the phone for laptop computer internet access for a couple of years now, 100% of the time for the last year and I have never even got near to using my moderate data allowance, the speed most of the time is far quicker than the ADSL that I am still paying for in the hôtel and the crazy thing is the range of the wi-fi signal from the phone is much further than the strategically placed Freebox and TP link routers.
I don't think I will ever pay for ADSL here and should realy cancel it at the hôtel, I doubt that I will ever do any more Ethernet cabling.
Regarding the buried cable its best to get an underground rated cable which will be glycerine filled and have a much thicker insulation, anything else will quickly degrade, I speak from experience.
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Post by mysty on Mar 6, 2023 19:19:15 GMT 1
As PCPA said if you have mobile reception hotspoting is the way to go we use it everywhere we go.
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Post by JohnnyD on Mar 6, 2023 19:19:37 GMT 1
This is an area of DIY that, for me, is a bit of a blank. Can anyone advise please? the project is to get internet to a remote building 250m away from the router. There is no line of sight. I am thinking of a buried fibre cable, but am lost as to what is required, there being so many choices. Do I need multiple fibres or just one, or even two for up and downloads. Is it wise to get a ready made cable and then which connectors? What kit is best to inject the signal and then extract it? The internet info available is all a bit confusing, well it is now I'm a bit past it. Who among you bright lads has done this sort of thing and can advise? Is there, maybe, an outfitthat can supply all the bits so that I can install them myself? Many other factors need looking into PE, like what equipment will be at either end etc.......but you are probably looking at OM3 for domestic router to router stuff, as a rough guide here is a quick search result
300 Metres is £375
There may be other stuff a lot cheaper, but OM3 is what you are looking for I believe, you need routers at both ends with a fibre or SFP modules to connect the fibre too.
With fibre cables, its the terminations that are important the fibre itself is quite cheap, but the fibre splicing and termination is the costly bit, that's why pre terminated cables are the way to go unless you know someone with a fibre splicing kit (very expensive)
JD
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Here is another place I use, you can select a number of options, LC to LC is usually what you need
You need two fibres, a go and and return, one only will not work, the first example is 2 fibres, the second you can select how many you want in the cable, 4 will be fine, leaving 2 spare.
As a guide for kit
You will need a suitable SFP to go into the routers at each end
Fibre costs all add up as you can see........
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Post by Polarengineer on Mar 7, 2023 7:00:43 GMT 1
I forgot to mention that there is no mobile reception at the building.
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Post by Polarengineer on Mar 7, 2023 7:16:03 GMT 1
Thanks for all that JD. I have been looking at some of this stuff but the jargon etc. does not help to understand what equipment I need. For example, the cable connectors do not fit the router or switch and why do I need a switch? Are those cable connectors the ideal choice? Why UK stuff? What does LC , SFP, OM3 mean? Back to the search, but yeah a pre made cable seems the way to go and I need to check its water resitance as it will be buried across a river in a conduit which I cannot trust to stay dry.
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Post by chrisell on Mar 7, 2023 12:56:37 GMT 1
There's WiFi point to point systems - think costs vary widely by brand. Its a separate system to distribute your broadband over a distance - it's not a wifi in the conventional sense - it's a point to point signal. Not sure how well they work if you don't have line of sight
Saves burying cable.....
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Post by Polarengineer on Mar 7, 2023 15:44:30 GMT 1
Yeah the point to point wifi does need a line of site. Tree branches, heavy rain or snow all degrade the signal. I have come to the conclusion that a fibre cable is the best system for this situation. Being Dutch, I do not want to take on another abonnement such as starlink while I'm paying a lot to Orange for their intermittent service until we get fibre at home in 2025 (forcast for our area).
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Post by Polarengineer on Mar 7, 2023 16:14:55 GMT 1
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Post by JohnnyD on Mar 7, 2023 16:28:33 GMT 1
Sorry PE....have been busy today.......
Yes you more or less have it sorted, the LC connectors on the cable plug into the SFP which goes into the back of the switches at either end of the cable, you feed the switch at the 'house' end from your Orange router via a CAT5e cable, and the remote end that LC-LC connecter again plugs into the back of the switch, which then gives you 4 live ethernet ports on the front (your remote internet connection)
The SFP's are critical in that they must match the switch requirements, there will be recommends on the sites I sent as to which SFP's you will need, the cable is entirely up to you with the level of robustness you require, as long as it is OM3 (this specifies the wavelength and mode of the fibre.
There are many other ways you can do this, this is just one, and the one I normally use. Please do all the research you can before you choose.
You can get the Mikrotik switches and SFP's in France also, I only used UK sites as that is normally where I order from. Make sure you get a switch and not a router, a router needs much config, a switch needs minimal if any.
Many much cheaper SFP's are around, but it really is trial and error to see if they work with the switches you will get.
If you don't have LOS which you say you don't, don't even think about the radio route, I suffered for years on a link that practically vanished during summer when the leaves were on the trees.......
JD
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Talking to some Colleagues PE and they are saying on a run that length, It might be cheaper/faster/better on OS2 fibre with suitable SFP's to match, so that's deffo worth a look, will have a look here a bit later also
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There is also an armoured cable much more expensive
FS.com ship all over Europe I believe
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You can also get Bi Directional SFP's for OS2 which means you only need 1 fibre per link, so you would have a 'spare' if you bought a twin cable like above.
Possibly.......
This post is messy now PE, too many edits by me, I recon you can do it for under £300 quid on OS2 PE, 2 x switches, 2 x SPF and cable from FS.com, if you think its for you, I can compile a 'shopping list' and check it is all compatible?
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Post by Polarengineer on Mar 8, 2023 10:39:19 GMT 1
Sounds brilliant JD. Thanks so much for your input, an expert shopping list would indeed be very helpful. Forget the shovel, I already have one.
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Post by JohnnyD on Mar 8, 2023 11:47:16 GMT 1
OK so...... 2 x www.senetic.fr/product/CSS106-1G-4P-1S €124.54 2 x www.fs.com/uk/products/48929.html £18 300M of www.fs.com/uk/products/50147.html?attribute=58053&id=1089395 £144 There is the armoured OS2 also, but 300M will cost around £500 www.fs.com/uk/products/48929.htmlThe yellow non armoured cable is very fragile and would deffo need a good conduit, did you say it had to cross a stream? I fed 30 metres through a tubular coiled conduit once and it was a pain, so 250M is a challenge, some people use water pipe, the cable comes with the LC ends attatched which is the issue as the conduit needs to be big enough for that. Don't order anything yet, I would want to check all this with a colleague to make sure it is OK, but I think that's all you need, fs.com are Euro based, so a local one should be easy to find. www.fs.com/fr is French www.fs.com/de-en is German based in English and ships to France The cable is the main variable, there are varying levels of protected cable that just escalate in price, the yellow cable is really the basic cheapest.
I presume you have electricity at the far end?
JD
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Post by Polarengineer on Mar 8, 2023 16:33:54 GMT 1
Yes we have power on site.
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