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Post by jackie on Mar 7, 2023 12:01:02 GMT 1
This controversial bill is being presented to the UK Parliament today. The French have offered to build a refugee processing centre in Calais but this has been ignored. It seems to me that the UK govt doesn’t want any refugees at all even though France and Germany currently take on more than the UK.
These poor people are fleeing war and persecution. I remember the days of the Vietnamese boat people in the seventies. We were doing fund-raising at school for them and the public mood was sympathetic towards them to the extent that the initially reluctant Thatcher was forced to let them in to the UK. What has happened to the UK? 😢😢😢
A bit of red meat to appease the bigots I guess and to distract them from more pressing issues…
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Post by mysty on Mar 7, 2023 12:30:13 GMT 1
Acccording to legal experts what Sunak is doing is close to illegal  The UK bigots are not just white there are plenty of first generation brits who are anti Immigrant as well they are just trying to get the far right vote which is popular throughout just now. |
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Post by exile on Mar 7, 2023 12:34:44 GMT 1
and cynically a tick against one of RS's 5 objectives.
Between 60 and 75% of the "illegals" are given leave to stay. Of the remainder less than 10% of that remainder (2.5-4%) are actually expelled.
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Post by graham on Mar 7, 2023 16:18:03 GMT 1
Apparantly a very large proportion of the "boat people" are Albanian. Are they also fleeing war and persecution?
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Post by Aardvark on Mar 7, 2023 17:22:43 GMT 1
I heard it quoted a few days ago that of the tens of thousands of immigrants that arrived in UK in the last couple of years only about 3% of their asylum applications have actually been processed. Have they been sent somewhere, incarcerated, or simply slipped silently into the general population? There is a lot we are not being told and a lot of doubtful statistics bandied about. There is a problem, but I fear almost nothing is being done to sort genuine asylum seekers from the chancers.
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Post by tim17 on Mar 7, 2023 17:29:42 GMT 1
I heard it quoted a few days ago that of the tens of thousands of immigrants that arrived in UK in the last couple of years only about 3% of their asylum applications have actually been processed. Have they been sent somewhere, incarcerated, or simply slipped silently into the general population? There is a lot we are not being told and a lot of doubtful statistics bandied about. There is a problem, but I fear almost nothing is being done to sort genuine asylum seekers from the chancers. The asylum processing fiasco is why the government are having to resort to desperate measures such as the current bill being discussed in parliament. There are more than 160K stuck in holding centres and B&B's/hotels at a daily cost of £7 million because the rate of processing the claims is so slow. |
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Post by Aardvark on Mar 7, 2023 17:41:21 GMT 1
Then it should be self evident that a significant proportion of the £7 million should be spent to set up processing offices full of properly trained people to clear the backlog, and at the same time light a fire under the backsides of the politicians to come up with a fair plan of what to do with the refused applications. Although they might actually need to lower themselves to discuss the problem with other EU countries to get a few more ideas.
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Post by houpla on Mar 7, 2023 17:46:39 GMT 1
I heard it quoted a few days ago that of the tens of thousands of immigrants that arrived in UK in the last couple of years Last couple of years? This goes back 20 years or more! When we left, our county was literally overrun with Lithuanians and Estonians, neither of which nationality was at risk of war or persecution. They were economic migrants as are most of the thousands arriving nowadays. They'd entered illegally and were living illegally, driving around in stolen cars without the benefit of tax or insurance. Isn't what Sunak trying to do to sort out the genuine refugees from the illegals and the crooks? A shortlist of war or disaster-stricken countries and refusal of entry to anyone from a country not on the list would be a start! |
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Post by woolybanana on Mar 7, 2023 17:48:09 GMT 1
Perhaps of the processing officers were working from the field rather than from home the process might be speeded up; and if those entering illegally were automatically not allowed to apply for asylum things might improve. Applicants from some countries such as Albania might not be considered.
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Post by exile on Mar 7, 2023 18:23:25 GMT 1
When we left, our county was literally overrun with Lithuanians and Estonians, neither of which nationality was at risk of war or persecution. They were economic migrants as are most of the thousands arriving nowadays. And perhaps just to balance up that tirade, when I moved to Germany: The UK was not at risk of war and I was not at risk of persecution. I was an economic migrant. |
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Post by houpla on Mar 7, 2023 18:59:06 GMT 1
Not a tirade, exile. You and I chose to move to another country, you in legal employment and me to live as a legal citizen without being a burden on the French State. Absolutely no correlation between that and illegal immigration.
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Post by pcpa on Mar 7, 2023 20:14:42 GMT 1
when I moved to Germany: The UK was not at risk of war and I was not at risk of persecution. I was an economic migrant. What was the hôtel like that they put you up in and how long before they granted you asylum? If I have to return when the money runs out I don't hold out much hope for a hôtel room, asylum? Yes an asylum would be a good place for me. |
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Post by exile on Mar 7, 2023 20:20:11 GMT 1
Then houpla remove your comment about economic migrant. I will suggest that many who came here did so as economic migrants - even if just running a gite or two instead of some high stress job in the uk. That is still being an economic migrant. AS I posted earlier between 60 and 75% of "illegal" migrants are given a right to stay - and what I did not say was that is the first decision. Rejections have the right of appeal. The problem is not, repeat not, people risking their lives in unseaworthy craft, overloaded and crossing the busiest sealane in the world without navigation equipment or without the ability to be seen by the big ships. The problem is the inept actions of successive UK governments to handle immigration in anything approaching a professional way. The tales are legion, but as an example a Syrian family in Paris were approved as UK refugees 5 years ago. They are still waiting for their entry papers!! No wonder people take a short cut in a dangerous boat. Then look at the pathetic progress on vetting those that do arrive in the UK "illegally". You will note that I have used illegal and its offshoots within inverted comments. This "illegality" is entirely a UK concept. We keep hearing about people staying in the first safe country they reach - especially from UK politicians who are heavily pro-Brexit. Well I have some bad news for them. Seeking sanctuary in the first safe country is an EU concept and the UK is no longer in the EU. So stop using that as an excuse to "send 'em back". Or perhaps Brussels can have power when it suits - hypocrits! UNHCR is very clear. A refugee is free to seek asylum in whichever country they chose. They may not be accepted of course but the choice is theirs and not some snotty politicians. |
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Post by exile on Mar 7, 2023 20:25:30 GMT 1
when I moved to Germany: The UK was not at risk of war and I was not at risk of persecution. I was an economic migrant. What was the hôtel like that they put you up in and how long before they granted you asylum? If I have to return when the money runs out I don't hold out much hope for a hôtel room, asylum? Yes an asylum would be a good place for me. Hotel Ramada but I was soon downgraded.  From your comments I take it you do not recognise yourself as having been an economic migrant. Setting up a business in a foreign country cannot I think be seen as anything but - success (as it seems it was) or not (as I fear you now see it). |
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Post by pcpa on Mar 7, 2023 20:33:02 GMT 1
From your comments I take it you do not recognise yourself as having been an economic migrant. Would you care to share your thought process for arriving at that conclusion please?
The following is a general comment and not aimed at you Exile.
Nobody should assume that it will be easy to return to their country of birth, you won't be put up in a hôtel and given an allowance. In 2005 after being away from the UK for 10 months I had to submit to a Right To Reside Test and also a Habitual Residency Test. |
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