Nifty
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Mar 9, 2023 10:52:18 GMT 1
Post by Nifty on Mar 9, 2023 10:52:18 GMT 1
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Mar 9, 2023 12:05:15 GMT 1
Post by omegal on Mar 9, 2023 12:05:15 GMT 1
The tonic though is 100% proof.....
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exile
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Mar 9, 2023 12:10:29 GMT 1
Post by exile on Mar 9, 2023 12:10:29 GMT 1
I would have thought that for the driver or for anyone with alcohol problems such drinks are much appreciated. We have an alcohol free rose wine in stock for such people and I have to say, I am happy to drink it at lunchtime instead of the real thing. It tastes pretty good and means the afternoon can be productive rather than dozing the afternoon away.
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Mar 9, 2023 12:48:31 GMT 1
Post by pcpa on Mar 9, 2023 12:48:31 GMT 1
I have been alcohol free for over a decade, maybe even 15 years now, alcohol free beers especially the premium brands I find quite acceptable, alcohol free wine (to me) just tastes like sweet fruit juice, I think the alleged alcohol free spirit is a wind up.
I was not a spirits drinker but would have one with a mixer occasionally, I thought the whole idea was to be drinking high proof alcohol with some flavour to make it more palatable, I cannot imagine anyone commercialising an alcohol free spirit.
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Mar 9, 2023 13:14:10 GMT 1
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Mar 9, 2023 14:07:38 GMT 1
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Post by lapourtaider on Mar 9, 2023 14:07:38 GMT 1
I think the alleged alcohol free spirit is a wind up. It's not, I have a bottle.
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Mar 9, 2023 15:03:05 GMT 1
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Post by exile on Mar 9, 2023 15:03:05 GMT 1
and I have been told it makes a very acceptable G&T flavoured non-alcoholic drink. Not tried it myself so cannot confirm.
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Mar 9, 2023 15:07:24 GMT 1
Post by gigi on Mar 9, 2023 15:07:24 GMT 1
As he’s been told by his consultant to avoid all alcohol on his current medication, my husband has tried various non-alcoholic gins with his preferred tonics and says they are mostly OK, a couple better than OK. He's also tried various non-alcoholic beers and ‘mocktails’, found a few of the former that he’s enjoyed but none of the latter so far.
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Mar 11, 2023 11:20:26 GMT 1
Post by lindalovely on Mar 11, 2023 11:20:26 GMT 1
I understand they are quite popular. I like gin and tonic as it isn't too sweet, so have been tempted to try the alcohol free gins although they are more expensive than actual gin. One of our local restaurants does a really nice selection of alcohol free cocktails using bitters, ginger beer, citrus and elderflower to create really interesting nom sweet drinks.
I notice a lot less alcohol is drunk by the current 20 somethings than there used to be. Obviously a blow for the drink manufacturers but good for the health service. Apparently wine sales are declining as well.
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exile
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Post by exile on Mar 11, 2023 15:28:55 GMT 1
My understanding is that many of the non-alcoholic drinks start with the full on alcoholic version and the alcohol is them removed. Naturally this makes them more expensive to produce that the full-fat versions - even when alcohol duties are taken into account..
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Mar 11, 2023 18:27:55 GMT 1
Post by pcpa on Mar 11, 2023 18:27:55 GMT 1
At what point is the alcohol duty levied and on whom?
The manufacturer at the time of production or the consumer at the point of purchase?
Most if not all supposed alcohol free beers contain some alcohol, 0.5% or 0.05% according to who is spouting the figure.
I unwittingly had alcohol recently in a Boeuf Bourgignon, it was lovely and I was trying to work out what the astringent element of the sauce was, it seemed sort of familiar from a long while back..............
And then the penny dropped, what a muppet!!!!
It actually tasted a tiny bit overpowering but were I still a wine drinker it would not have seemed so.
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Mar 11, 2023 19:14:15 GMT 1
Post by cernunnos on Mar 11, 2023 19:14:15 GMT 1
Only alcoholics are scared of alcohol, take care out there, Hic !!
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Mar 11, 2023 20:22:16 GMT 1
Post by exile on Mar 11, 2023 20:22:16 GMT 1
At what point is the alcohol duty levied and on whom? The manufacturer at the time of production or the consumer at the point of purchase? Most if not all supposed alcohol free beers contain some alcohol, 0.5% or 0.05% according to who is spouting the figure. I unwittingly had alcohol recently in a Boeuf Bourgignon, it was lovely and I was trying to work out what the astringent element of the sauce was, it seemed sort of familiar from a long while back.............. And then the penny dropped, what a muppet!!!! It actually tasted a tiny bit overpowering but were I still a wine drinker it would not have seemed so. The quoted figures of alcohol content are get out of jail free cards. It is not possible to remove all of the alcohol. indeed if you buy ripe fruit it probably contains some alcohol and quite possibly more than non-alcoholic drinks. So a minimal number is quoted below which all produce is guaranteed to lie. 0.5% is a lazy and very safe number. 0.0% means you have to be below 0.05%. Unless alcohol is added at the last minute to a food - think Xmas pud or crepe suzette - then most of the alcohol will no longer be there. But never all. As to duty, I think in the UK duty is applied at bottling - or in rare cases at the point of sale of the barrel. Strictly it is as the wine/beer/spirit/whatever is released from bonded store. Of course if duty has been applied to your bottle of something nice/special, then you pay the duty in the sales price - but it is actually paying the duty already paid back up the supply chain. So say a producer makes a drink with a saleable value of €8.5 but with duty of €1.5, the sales value becomes €10, because the producer has had to pay €1.5 duty to the government. The supermarket chain then adds its mark up of say 40%. So the sales price to us the customer is €14 + VAT with €1.5 that has already been paid. This means the government cashes in twice on the duty, once an the payment and then on the VAT on the portion of the price that was duty - another 30c.
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Nifty
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Mar 14, 2023 9:02:56 GMT 1
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