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Post by cernunnos on Mar 25, 2023 8:07:56 GMT 1
Surely the right wing christians in the US are not a threat to the women in the UK ? Also you have changed the discussion into a threat against women . If Islam becomes a major religion in the UK ( which is what I was posting about) then there is a high possibility that the country will move in a different direction , maybe even for the better?
The catholic religion ( or business) has had it's high in Europe and has now moved to less educated populations, a lot in Africa. The significance of celebrating Ramadan in Piccadilly ,is as the name of the thread applies . It's coming home ! Ol' moggy has already started his move out of politics ,he plays to his audience. As far as the Chinese are concerned, they bend with the wind and keep quiet while making piles of cash, not really being interested in God, so not a threat as such.
I’m confused here, you seem to be talking about the Islamification of the UK (which you think is likely based on some lights in London) and the resulting curtailing of freedom. Usually the only freedoms curtailed in Islamic fundamentalism are women’s not mens so talking about them is hardly changing the discussion. Yes , you are confused , the discussion was being changed to anti abortion in the US and UK. I was discussing the raising of Ramadan in the UK ( or in this case London ) to the same level as Christmas . Polls show that there are more than 70% of people either of the christian belief or no belief in the UK with 7% Islam
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Post by jackie on Mar 25, 2023 10:36:00 GMT 1
I’m confused here, you seem to be talking about the Islamification of the UK (which you think is likely based on some lights in London) and the resulting curtailing of freedom. Usually the only freedoms curtailed in Islamic fundamentalism are women’s not mens so talking about them is hardly changing the discussion. Yes , you are confused , the discussion was being changed to anti abortion in the US and UK. I was discussing the raising of Ramadan in the UK ( or in this case London ) to the same level as Christmas . Polls show that there are more than 70% of people either of the christian belief or no belief in the UK with 7% Islam But then you brought up the possible curtailing of freedoms which led on to this, not changed the discussion.
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Post by jackie on Mar 25, 2023 10:37:49 GMT 1
Yes , you are confused , the discussion was being changed to anti abortion in the US and UK. I was discussing the raising of Ramadan in the UK ( or in this case London ) to the same level as Christmas . Polls show that there are more than 70% of people either of the christian belief or no belief in the UK with 7% Islam But then you brought up the possible curtailing of freedoms which led on to this, not changed the discussion. Anti-abortion may only be the start, these things tend to trickle in gradually…
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Post by cernunnos on Mar 25, 2023 11:13:44 GMT 1
But then you brought up the possible curtailing of freedoms which led on to this, not changed the discussion. Anti-abortion may only be the start, these things tend to trickle in gradually… I agree with that , and that is why I asked if this is the start , then what will be the end ? There are many freedoms that are curtailed in Islamitic countries , not just abortions and not only for women .
London is not the UK , but it is where the government is housed.
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Post by tim17 on Mar 25, 2023 11:27:16 GMT 1
I do wonder whether the fact that London has a Muslim mayor had any bearing on this. Personally, it doesn't bother me in the slightest and it does show that despite on the noise to the contrary the UK does embrace multiculturalism but perhaps just not enough.
It would be interesting to know whether Paris has ever done something similar given that it has the biggest Muslim population in Europe.
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Post by exile on Mar 25, 2023 17:58:21 GMT 1
It would be interesting to know whether Paris has ever done something similar given that it has the biggest Muslim population in Europe. Really? I would have thought Istanbul (European side)
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Post by cernunnos on Mar 25, 2023 20:01:04 GMT 1
It would be interesting to know whether Paris has ever done something similar given that it has the biggest Muslim population in Europe. Really? I would have thought Istanbul (European side) Or Russia , or Germany ?
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Post by exile on Mar 25, 2023 21:02:44 GMT 1
I was thinking in terms of cities rather than countries but you are quite right. While I was still in Germany one statistician worked out that by the end of this century Germany would have more Muslims than Christians - for all that really mattered. The problem with all thee clever sums is that it only takes one unforeseen event to turn them into toilet paper.
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Post by Nifty on Mar 26, 2023 9:37:50 GMT 1
An unforeseen event like the unintended consequences of the development if the abacus or the flow of information on social media perhaps. ?
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Post by mangetout on Mar 26, 2023 9:51:29 GMT 1
Islam is the 2nd largest religion in Europe, and 3rd largest in the USA. It has always been of world importance, nothing new.
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Post by Nifty on Mar 26, 2023 10:03:37 GMT 1
Listen closely Not for very much longer This is madness, I’vec got to keep control, My OH is in the front room speeding with her granddaughter inNew Zealand. I am in bed having just made a connection through a FB post depicting a early Windsor Photographer’s calling card bearing the address of one of my ancestors. My great grandfather had a hotel less than a hundred yards away The guy that posted seems to be a geologist living in NZ
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Post by Nifty on Mar 26, 2023 10:08:43 GMT 1
Bit of a time slip there
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Post by cernunnos on Mar 26, 2023 10:22:55 GMT 1
Islam is the 2nd largest religion in Europe, and 3rd largest in the USA. It has always been of world importance, nothing new. I must disagree. See the original post ?
Nothing to do with the status of the religion in Europe or the USA .
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Post by mangetout on Mar 26, 2023 12:09:45 GMT 1
Since the 7th century Islam has been a religion of world importance. Nothing has changed, nothing new.
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Post by cernunnos on Mar 26, 2023 13:17:21 GMT 1
Since the 7th century Islam has been a religion of world importance. Nothing has changed, nothing new. In the UK ?
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