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Post by houpla on Apr 2, 2023 21:01:07 GMT 1
Ah, no, if you're going to play the ecolo, veggie card you lose any sympathy I might have for your point of view. Do you have facts to back up your assertion that these irrigation lacs will be used solely to irrigate animal feed crops? Quite apart from that, there has been a tendency in this country, as pcpa points out, for the State to take a proprietory stance when it comes to natural resources...the main ones being air and water. The sneaky, tax-by-any-other-name Crit'Air scheme is gaining momentum (and revenue) so now it's the turn of the liquid stuff. It's long been the case here that our water bills include a contribution to finance flood prevention measures throughout the département, as well as a payment to the water Company for the privilege of having constructed and maintaining our own assainissement individuelle. No doubt water recuperation is next on the list for possible taxation. If the government are dishing out subsidies, you can be sure that they'll have a method in mind for getting the money back several times over. You've only got to look into photovoltaic solar panels and the shenanigans involved to realise that nothing in this country is done without an ulterior motive.
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Post by pcpa on Apr 2, 2023 21:47:00 GMT 1
Yes I was reflecting on the subventions, it is, I believe, the French way of doping the economy, creating work and employment and of course raising more taxes from the profits generated and the employment created, money needs to be spent continuously for a countrys economy to be healthy, there is the same amount of money in the world during a boom as during a recession, in the latter it sits in peoples accounts which helps nobody.
On a local, cantonal, departemental or regional basis every single project costs far more than it should (in my view) but is subventionée to the exact same level from many sources, departemental, regional, central government and the EU, its what keeps businesses and local authorities spending.
The French be they individuals or élus lap up paying well over the odds for something if it means they get a credit d'impôt or subventions, that is to say if they were spending solely from their own funds or budgets they would never accept the crazy prices that they pay and unless all the subsidies were removed and companies actually had to give competitive quotes many of these projects simply would be shelved which is no good for the economy.
Why is it wrong to subsidise a farmer 70% to better manage his water resources or to put solar panels on his barn or even to give him a barn for free with solar panels on where he doesn't get any revenue yet millions of households are currently getting 90% or even 100% (the symbolic one Euro payment) for exterior insulation and new rendered finish, a heat pump to replace a gas or fioul boiler, ballon therodynamique, reversible aircon, loft insulation, interior wall insulation and doublage, probably most of the casseurs will be benefitting from that at present, that industry has never seen such a boom, its a shame that most of the installers the companies are using are from Eastern European countries and dont speak French rather than employing local labour.
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Post by Nifty on Apr 2, 2023 22:11:42 GMT 1
‘why should a few farmers get 70% government subsidies’
Farming is business. It provided employment in many ways, without it the economy would come to a grinding halt very quickly and so would a large portion of humanity. It needs to me controlled and managed properly so that all can benefit from it. I don’t see how in the current state of affairs it could be any better. If farming fails so does humanity.
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Post by cernunnos on Apr 3, 2023 7:50:56 GMT 1
Farming is failing . In the EU it is kept going with subsidies, no subsidies , no farming, a fact . Houpla , I am not playing the "veggie card" , but look at the environment. Humanity doesn't need to eat the amount of meat that is consumed in the so called civilised world, so we need to farm better , not keep on the same road.
As another point of discussion about water use . The decline of the water table is also part of the reason of the increase in electricity price.
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Post by houpla on Apr 3, 2023 8:24:29 GMT 1
Who says that we eat too much meat? All the disinterested info that I can find is very ambivalent. I prefer to go on my own observations of meat and non-meat eaters over the last 50 years, as well as the results of longevity statistics throughout western Europe. Who defines 'enough' animal protein for good health? The current guidelines will only prove their worth (or otherwise) in 80 or 90 years time when the result of current government policies and media influence will become identifiable. I suspect that the policies in school canteens etc. have far more to do with economics than balanced diets.
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Post by houpla on Apr 3, 2023 8:27:56 GMT 1
As another point of discussion about water use . The decline of the water table is also part of the reason of the increase in electricity price.
That will probably resolve itself in a few years time when every roof surface has it's quota of solar panels. The main draw on the grid will be in winter when water levels are at their highest
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Post by cernunnos on Apr 3, 2023 8:39:02 GMT 1
As another point of discussion about water use . The decline of the water table is also part of the reason of the increase in electricity price.
That will probably resolve itself in a few years time when every roof surface has it's quota of solar panels. The main draw on the grid will be in winter when water levels are at their highest So they should be at their highest now ?
"De ce fait, la situation des nappes s’est dégradée et est peu satisfaisante. En effet, les pluies infiltrées durant l’automne sont très insuffisantes pour compenser les déficits accumulés durant l’année 2022 et améliorer durablement l’état des nappes. En conséquence, les niveaux des nappes restent sous les normales mensuelles avec 80% des niveaux modérément bas à très bas. La plupart des secteurs affichent des niveaux nettement inférieurs à ceux de février de l’année dernière."
From the National Geology site
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Post by Nifty on Apr 3, 2023 9:29:35 GMT 1
Doomed….
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Post by Nifty on Apr 3, 2023 9:37:59 GMT 1
….. Humanity doesn't need to eat the amount of meat that is consumed in the so called civilised world, so we need to farm better , not keep on the same road. How to convince the big production concerns of a world market dominated by MNC’s ?
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Post by pcpa on Apr 3, 2023 10:16:45 GMT 1
As another point of discussion about water use . The decline of the water table is also part of the reason of the increase in electricity price. Nuclear power plants don't draw cooling water from the nappe phréatique, I'm sure after last year they also will be increasing their buffer storage capacity, 100% subsidised!
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Post by exile on Apr 3, 2023 10:42:14 GMT 1
That will probably resolve itself in a few years time when every roof surface has it's quota of solar panels. The main draw on the grid will be in winter when water levels are at their highest So they should be at their highest now ?
"De ce fait, la situation des nappes s’est dégradée et est peu satisfaisante. En effet, les pluies infiltrées durant l’automne sont très insuffisantes pour compenser les déficits accumulés durant l’année 2022 et améliorer durablement l’état des nappes. En conséquence, les niveaux des nappes restent sous les normales mensuelles avec 80% des niveaux modérément bas à très bas. La plupart des secteurs affichent des niveaux nettement inférieurs à ceux de février de l’année dernière."
From the National Geology site
What makes you think they are not? One year's experience does not make for good long term forecasting - valid though the observations are.
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Post by cernunnos on Apr 3, 2023 10:53:31 GMT 1
As another point of discussion about water use . The decline of the water table is also part of the reason of the increase in electricity price. Nuclear power plants don't draw cooling water from the nappe phréatique, I'm sure after last year they also will be increasing their buffer storage capacity, 100% subsidised! No they draw their cooling from rivers that are running too low , also hydro has declined due to lack of water . The water table does not stand alone , water is connected .
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Post by cernunnos on Apr 3, 2023 10:55:16 GMT 1
So they should be at their highest now ?
"De ce fait, la situation des nappes s’est dégradée et est peu satisfaisante. En effet, les pluies infiltrées durant l’automne sont très insuffisantes pour compenser les déficits accumulés durant l’année 2022 et améliorer durablement l’état des nappes. En conséquence, les niveaux des nappes restent sous les normales mensuelles avec 80% des niveaux modérément bas à très bas. La plupart des secteurs affichent des niveaux nettement inférieurs à ceux de février de l’année dernière."
From the National Geology site
What makes you think they are not?One year's experience does not make for good long term forecasting - valid though the observations are. Because the geologists ( specialists ) say so , as written in their report.
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Post by exile on Apr 3, 2023 13:49:42 GMT 1
The bit you quote only mentions a lack of rain in 2022 and a reduction this February compared with last.
If there is more perhaps a link would be useful.
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Post by houpla on Apr 3, 2023 14:49:11 GMT 1
Certainly in this département May is historically and frequently the wettest month of the year so I'll wait to do my panicking until June
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