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Post by cernunnos on Apr 9, 2023 18:24:00 GMT 1
There is no shortage of water in the world. The problem is that only 1% of it is available for human consumption. We need to get creative in finding new and efficient ways of tapping into the other 99%. You mean like building a pipeline from Wales to London ? Perhaps We need to stop wasting so much ? Politicians need to listen to Ecologists instead of sending in the gendarmes and tear gas grenades
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Post by houpla on Apr 9, 2023 18:37:57 GMT 1
No, politicians need to start acting on the basis of doing their best for the populace instead of profiteering, either openly or indirectly. The ecolos are too blinkered, too fanatic to provide viable solutions in the harsh reality of globalisation. There has to be a middle way?
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Post by cernunnos on Apr 9, 2023 19:06:28 GMT 1
No, politicians need to start acting on the basis of doing their best for the populace instead of profiteering, either openly or indirectly. The ecolos are too blinkered, too fanatic to provide viable solutions in the harsh reality of globalisation. There has to be a middle way? No, the ecologists are extremists as we all know, but globalisation has nothing to do with water use in France. We need the ecologists to balance the scales.
A small percentage of the farming community have the politicians in their pockets , EU farming politics is directed at less and bigger farms . It makes for easier manipulation
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Post by houpla on Apr 9, 2023 19:11:15 GMT 1
Yes, but....for the smaller farmers....who is on their side? My mates have had their lives made almost impossible by the restrictions imposed by badly-thought-out legislation, largely prompted by the politicos wish to appear 'green'. Between that and EU legislation, they're going under by the thousands.
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Post by cernunnos on Apr 9, 2023 19:18:22 GMT 1
Yes, but....for the smaller farmers....who is on their side? My mates have had their lives made almost impossible by the restrictions imposed by badly-thought-out legislation, largely prompted by the politicos wish to appear 'green'. Between that and EU legislation, they're going under by the thousands. Yep and.... it's the ecologists and the Confédération Paysanne that are on the side of the small farmers ( like me) they were the ones that were fighting the gendarmes at Sainte Soline
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Post by houpla on Apr 9, 2023 20:25:54 GMT 1
That's fine. If they stick to defending small farmers instead of trying to make ordinary people feel directly responsible for the state of the planet (whatever it is), I'll be right behind them. They should be concentrating their efforts on the powers-that-be and big businesses. Between politicos using global warming, climate change, whatever you want to call it, as a big stick and an excuse to tax, and ecolos trying to dictate everything from our diets to our lifestyles, I think there'll be a backlash before too long.
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Post by pcpa on Apr 9, 2023 21:15:09 GMT 1
Computer is barely capable of displaying a web page within 5 minutes so speaking would be well beyond it. I dont have a tablet, mobile phone is impossible at present, computer in the evenings is just about useable, I can just about see what µ have written. I know I have a post op secondary cataract which gets worse each day but will be tretade by laser, that is constant though & does not explain waking up seeing next to nothing. It could be severe hay fever, no other sysmptoms and I have never been a suffere but I sleep right next to a field which is grass instead of maize ths year, Docteur Google says the mornings are a peak for pollen.
That was a reply to Jazcki, I didnt see the other postings.
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Post by pcpa on Apr 9, 2023 21:21:48 GMT 1
they were the ones that were fighting the gendarmes at Sainte Soline You make that sound like a good thing? Why fight if you are there to protest? - not you personally! The report I read quoted one of the leaders as saying but for the large Gendarme presence it would have just been a peacefull walk in the country............... Normal people walking in the country dont feel the urge to fight if they see a Gendarme.
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Post by mangetout on Apr 10, 2023 10:12:03 GMT 1
There is no shortage of water in the world. The problem is that only 1% of it is available for human consumption. We need to get creative in finding new and efficient ways of tapping into the other 99%. You mean like building a pipeline from Wales to London ? Perhaps We need to stop wasting so much ? Politicians need to listen to Ecologists instead of sending in the gendarmes and tear gas grenades
We need to change a lot of things. I think I'm right in saying your background is in farming? Forgive me if I'm wrong. Mine is in water and waste water management, specifically research and development. Whilst I am not a scientist, I was in the Human Resource side of the business, I was surrounded by engineers and scientists who spent their whole careers trying to find ways of improving water quality, management and delivery, and pollution control. It rubs off. Strictly speaking, the amount of water available via aquifers and rivers is enough for humankind, but many things like climate change, pollution, waste, over extraction, flooding, leaks, poor basin management etc etc leave us with shortages of water which can be easily filtered to drinking water quality. If we could get all those things right then we have a chance. But that's not to say that innovative ideas on extracting water from other sources should be ignored. With regard to transporting water, I would refer you to the South-North Water Transit project in China. Makes Wales to London look like child's play.
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Post by cernunnos on Apr 11, 2023 11:25:27 GMT 1
My background ? Depends from when you want to know. I have been a farmer in France ( registered too) for 30 years , 20 years before that in Holland. Have never worked in an office, have been called various things , one of them Engineer. My original study was Biology and Zoology with a bit of Ecology thrown in.( lots of logies)
If you worked in the UK in waste water management , what went wrong ?
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Post by Nifty on Apr 11, 2023 13:50:31 GMT 1
‘ No, the ecologists are extremists as we all know, but globalisation has nothing to do with water use in France. We need the ecologists to balance the scales. A small percentage of the farming community have the politicians in their pockets , EU farming politics is directed at less and bigger farms . It makes for easier manipulation ‘ Easy to say, difficult to demonstrate on a National scale. Where does politics end and business begin. From the French perspective, it seems to me that the Mayor of every commune has strong links with agriculture or production or developers. There is a lot of room for temptation to stray from the prescribed path. And a lot of opportunity to help one’s own business interests relations.
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Post by mangetout on Apr 11, 2023 14:33:33 GMT 1
My background ? Depends from when you want to know. I have been a farmer in France ( registered too) for 30 years , 20 years before that in Holland. Have never worked in an office, have been called various things , one of them Engineer. My original study was Biology and Zoology with a bit of Ecology thrown in.( lots of logies) If you worked in the UK in waste water management , what went wrong ? ?
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Post by cernunnos on Apr 12, 2023 7:50:56 GMT 1
I was wondering , because you had worked in water and waste water management in the UK , if you could shed some light on the disaster that is the UK water and waste water management. Not only is there a problem in providing water , but there is also an enormous problem with sewage disposal and enviromental pollution .
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Post by cernunnos on Apr 12, 2023 7:54:05 GMT 1
‘ No, the ecologists are extremists as we all know, but globalisation has nothing to do with water use in France. We need the ecologists to balance the scales. A small percentage of the farming community have the politicians in their pockets , EU farming politics is directed at less and bigger farms . It makes for easier manipulation ‘ Easy to say, difficult to demonstrate on a National scale. Where does politics end and business begin. From the French perspective, it seems to me that the Mayor of every commune has strong links with agriculture or production or developers. There is a lot of room for temptation to stray from the prescribed path. And a lot of opportunity to help one’s own business interests relations. Mayors in local government have very little power,
Agriculture policy is dictated from Brussels via Paris via the Prefecture.
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Post by mangetout on Apr 12, 2023 8:23:17 GMT 1
I was wondering , because you had worked in water and waste water management in the UK , if you could shed some light on the disaster that is the UK water and waste water management. Not only is there a problem in providing water , but there is also an enormous problem with sewage disposal and enviromental pollution . Quite simple. Privatisation, coupled with almost non existent regulation. What regulation there is has a high number of 'seconded' staff from within the water companies who basically have infiltrated the 'enemy'. Overlay that with greedy shareholders who have stripped the organisations of all surplus money which should be invested in infrastructure and a public who simply don't seem to have the will to 'kick up a stink'. And let us not forget the role of Govt in this fiasco.
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