mysty
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Post by mysty on Apr 16, 2023 17:42:17 GMT 1
UK MPs have had about 35% pay rise and have plenty of perks but nurses have not but no one thinks im going to become a nurse and make a fortune so is it time the Goverment banned them from striking. People become nurses as they want to help people.
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Post by JohnnyD on Apr 16, 2023 17:55:19 GMT 1
People become Tory MP's because they don't want to help people.........except themselves .........
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Post by tim17 on Apr 16, 2023 18:28:39 GMT 1
Is it about percentage pay increases or the right rate for the job?
French MP's earn roughly the same as their UK counterparts but French nurses earn less than those in the UK.
If you look at MP's salaries since 2010 they have in real terms gone backwards slightly but for nurses and many in the public sector the fall has been much worse so there does need to be some sort of re-balance but 35% is too much for me.
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Post by exile on Apr 16, 2023 19:20:56 GMT 1
35% is what junior doctors are asking. The nurses "only" asked for 19%. But tim17 is right. It is not about percentages. It is about the right amount of reward for the job. I find it amazing that the Tories, doyens of market forces, cannot grasp that if there is a major shortage of nurses and doctors and that if those already in the jobs are leaving in significant numbers, there is something seriously wrong with the rewards these people are receiving. I have used reward rather then pay or money, because part of the reward can be in other forms. Just having the feeling of having done a good job today can be part of the reward. Many medical professionals are saying they get that feeling less and less.
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Post by jackie on Apr 16, 2023 19:39:59 GMT 1
Junior doctors are actually asking for a pay restoration to what they were earning about 15 years ago in relative terms.
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mysty
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Post by mysty on Apr 16, 2023 19:45:56 GMT 1
35% is what junior doctors are asking. The nurses "only" asked for 19%. But tim17 is right. It is not about percentages. It is about the right amount of reward for the job. I find it amazing that the Tories, doyens of market forces, cannot grasp that if there is a major shortage of nurses and doctors and that if those already in the jobs are leaving in significant numbers, there is something seriously wrong with the rewards these people are receiving. I have used reward rather then pay or money, because part of the reward can be in other forms. Just having the feeling of having done a good job today can be part of the reward. Many medical professionals are saying they get that feeling less and less. Canada and NZ are getting a lot of nurses from the UK they must be paying better. All the UK has to offer them is food banks and clapping.
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Post by norfolk on Apr 16, 2023 19:58:50 GMT 1
Similar story up in Northern France where many French trained nurses are working across the borders in Germany, Luxembourg and Belgium.
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mysty
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Post by mysty on Apr 16, 2023 20:21:17 GMT 1
Similar story up in Northern France where many French trained nurses are working across the borders in Germany, Luxembourg and Belgium. There was something on French TV last week about somewhere needing an anethatist spelt wrong but they were offering to name a street after one if they moved there for the job.
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Post by jackie on Apr 16, 2023 20:39:25 GMT 1
I think that it’s always been the case that care workers are exploited due to the vocational nature of the job.
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Post by specsavers2 on Apr 16, 2023 20:50:23 GMT 1
Could the government be paving the way to private healthcare ? Anymore damage seems to open the doors to big private business.
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Post by ForumUser2 on Apr 16, 2023 22:26:55 GMT 1
I think that it’s always been the case that care workers are exploited due to the vocational nature of the job. I Always gave the caring for free, I expected to be paid for my skill, knowledge and expertise, though.
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Post by jackie on Apr 17, 2023 11:36:52 GMT 1
I think that it’s always been the case that care workers are exploited due to the vocational nature of the job. I Always gave the caring for free, I expected to be paid for my skill, knowledge and expertise, though. And so you should be. I can’t accept the Tory guff about where is the money going to come from? They soon found billions to waste on dodgy PPE contracts and a failed test and trace system. It’s a decision based on ideology alone.
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Post by ForumUser2 on Apr 17, 2023 13:18:25 GMT 1
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Post by omegal on Apr 17, 2023 13:18:49 GMT 1
The news over the weekend was shown by the Tories to be a divide and rule tactic. Saying how one union was accepting the deal offered (it hadn't actually accepted) and the other Union should agree also. Money has been wasted year after year by the Tories, yet putting money where it is deserved is beyond them. I can see thousands of Nurses and Junior Doctors leaving the NHS, what is the point of them staying if they are so underpaid? Yes people need care but as was said by someone on Question Time when the Tory MP questioned the morality of striking when people were losing out on Ops and RDV's. the reply was simple, "why are there long waits, it is not through the Nurses and Doctors, it has not just arrived at 7 million people waiting for appointments and Ops" The MP then waffled for a while before realising he had lost his case.
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Post by woolybanana on Apr 17, 2023 13:22:18 GMT 1
Balderdash, it is an attempt by extreme Left unions and their Momentum allies to subvert democracy and bring down the government
Of course health staff should be well paid but such discussions can only take place in a calm atmosphere.
There is plenty of money in the NHS wasted on bull**it administration and c*ckups. It all started going wrong when it was taken under the wing of the Department of Health. This should be reversed and the thing localised or regionalised. And admin should be reduced hugely, replaced by decisions based on real medical need, and bed blocking fined severely.
NHS hospitals at present pay Council Tax - what nonsense, public money moving from one branch to another and being top sliced in the process.
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