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Post by specsavers2 on Apr 26, 2023 13:53:19 GMT 1
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Post by specsavers2 on Apr 26, 2023 13:56:03 GMT 1
GOvernment pulls out all the stops.
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Post by tim17 on Apr 26, 2023 14:29:18 GMT 1
What should they have done differently?
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Post by cernunnos on Apr 26, 2023 19:21:45 GMT 1
I find it strange that folk expect their governments to come and rescue them , unless they were working for the government .
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Post by ForumUser2 on Apr 26, 2023 20:06:00 GMT 1
The Government's first duty is the safety and security of its citizens. I don't see why that should have geographical limits.
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Post by JohnnyD on Apr 26, 2023 20:27:52 GMT 1
The Government's first duty is the safety and security of its citizens. I don't see why that should have geographical limits. Surely you wouldn't expect this current lot in charge to give a monkeys about its citizens either in or out of the UK?
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Post by exile on Apr 26, 2023 20:31:48 GMT 1
I find it strange that folk expect their governments to come and rescue them , unless they were working for the government . If people have gone to a place that is not on the Foreign Office red list and have gone in good faith, why should they not expect that their government would/should provide assistance when things go pear shaped. Let me put it this way. If you are innocently driving down the road and a heavy truck runs into you creating a lot of damage and trapping and injuring you, do you think that SAMU and the Sapeurs pompiers should come to rescue you or not.
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Post by tim17 on Apr 26, 2023 20:36:01 GMT 1
I think people have looked at the speed at which some countries managed to bring their citizens home and assume that the UK have been slow in reacting. What most don't realise is that there are more UK nationals in Sudan than the whole of the EU countries put together so clearly getting 4000 UK passport holders out is going to take far longer than 80 Italians or 250 French.
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Post by exile on Apr 26, 2023 21:23:48 GMT 1
But they have been slow. I fully accept that it is more difficult to evacuate 3000 than 300 but it seems the UK has to have a plan to rescue all 3000 before it will even start. While a number of countries had evacuated "all"? of their citizens the UK had not even started to evacuate its diplomats. Convince me that that is not slow. Surely, within the limits of safety and reasonable chance of success, you start asap. The UK it seems wishes to repeat its Afghanistan fiasco. Wait and wait and wait, do nothing visible and then create panic with a very small operating window left.
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Post by pcpa on Apr 26, 2023 21:26:42 GMT 1
Let me put it this way. If you are innocently driving down the road and a heavy truck runs into you creating a lot of damage and trapping and injuring you, do you think that SAMU and the Sapeurs pompiers should come to rescue you or not. Yes because the Samu is a service of my governmentI would not expect to be repatriated by the NHS.
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Post by exile on Apr 26, 2023 21:59:17 GMT 1
Unless I have misunderstood your point, those in Sudan awaiting evacuation are British citizens and help from a British government.
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Post by pcpa on Apr 26, 2023 22:23:31 GMT 1
I wasn't the one making a point, I was answering your question.
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Post by cernunnos on Apr 27, 2023 7:21:09 GMT 1
The question should be . Why are these British citizens in Sudan? The answer is usually to make money , by working for a British company , therefore in my opinon , it should be those companies that extradite them . I have worked in countries that had civil wars , the companies I worked for were responsible for their employees.
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Post by ForumUser2 on Apr 27, 2023 7:38:13 GMT 1
The question should be . Why are these British citizens in Sudan? The answer is usually to make money , by working for a British company You have absolutely no idea why they are there. Work? Visiting family? Diplomats? Holidaymakers? Charity workers?
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Post by cernunnos on Apr 27, 2023 7:41:59 GMT 1
As such, the majority of those British nationals currently stuck in Sudan will be those who have chosen to live in the country. The reasons for emigrating to Sudan vary depending on the individual, but some common reasons include working for international organisations, such as the United Nations or non-governmental organisations (NGOs), or for British companies with operations in Sudan. Some may also have family or personal connections to the country. Sudan was a British colony until it gained independence in 1956, and since then there has been a significant Sudanese community in the UK. The UK has also been a popular destination for Sudanese refugees, and many have been able to obtain British citizenship after living in the country for a certain period of time. In recent years, Sudan has also been a destination for aid workers and refugees fleeing conflict and instability in neighbouring countries. The official advice continues to be for UK nationals to register their presence in Sudan with the Foreign Office and shelter in place. Foreign Office minister Andrew Mitchell said the number of people registered has grown significantly over the last two days to around 2,000. Maybe the British government should have helped to return citizens from France after Brexit ?
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