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Post by mysty on May 4, 2023 22:07:38 GMT 1
Most of you will know if you have work carried out by a builder the work is covered by a ten year guarantee.
If you renovate the property yourself your still liable for anything that goes wrong for ten years.
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Post by omegal on May 5, 2023 0:33:21 GMT 1
Most of you will know if you have work carried out by a builder the work is covered by a ten year guarantee. If you renovate the property yourself your still liable for anything that goes wrong for ten years. Yes quite true, when we sold our last business we had some work ourselves, it was an extension for two new bedrooms and a shower room at ground level. We had the plans ready and the date the work was done. One problem, the Mairie had a problem finding the agreement that allowed us to build it. The buyers insisted we therefore had not had our plans passed, we told them they had been passed and if they wanted our place (they had made four visits) they must be patient, or move on. Eventually the engineer at the Mairie found them registered but a year after our application. The buyers happy with that then tried to get the ten year guarantee started from the day they bought, the Notaire looked at our plans and the date it was passed, asked me when it was finished, told him around 6 months after it was passed. That left 18 months still remaining on the ten year guarantee. We knew it would be fine, after all it had been put up 8 years and 6 months before and was still like new as it should have been after such a short time. |
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Post by tim17 on May 5, 2023 5:10:02 GMT 1
If you renovate the property yourself your still liable for anything that goes wrong for ten years. In what respect, after a sale? |
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Post by mysty on May 5, 2023 5:36:54 GMT 1
At T17, Almost anything from the date it has been done.
If you fit a window its covered for ten years from the day its fitted.
So technically if it started to leak the buyer could ask for it to be fixed.
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Post by lapourtaider on May 5, 2023 5:37:45 GMT 1
Thankfully our last property we lived in for 16 years, and I was able to answer truthfully to the question that nothing major had been done in the last 10 years. I hope to be in my new place for at least 20 years.
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Post by Aardvark on May 5, 2023 9:13:29 GMT 1
That has been my strategy. Buy it. Fix it. Live in it. I regard guarantees as pretty much worthless and don't take them into consideration when I make a purchase. Like insurance cover. You face a battle when making a claim so why waste money on it.
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Post by annabellespapa on May 5, 2023 9:43:56 GMT 1
We sold a house in October 2020, we had a new roof and future proofed ourselves (we thought) by installing Veluxes in the loft space in case we wanted to convert, that was back in 2008, the new owners, after a couple of months said that the seals on the veluxes had perished and wanted them all replaced (not repaired), that was 6 of the largest veluxes they make. As we had got permission in 2007 and the work done in 2008, we thought there would be no issues but the Mairie had no record of the work being signed off, we couldn't remember but luckily my OH had taken loads of photos that were dated to show the work before and after... Phew
and I bet there were no issues with the windows, we have veluxes that are 25+ years old and are still in excellent condition.
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Post by JohnnyD on May 5, 2023 12:05:58 GMT 1
Hmmm I didn't know that, can you take out any insurance for that? Last thing we want is when we sell this because we are too old to drive or whatever, we become liable for issues.......
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Post by annabellespapa on May 5, 2023 12:13:20 GMT 1
Hmmm I didn't know that, can you take out any insurance for that? Last thing we want is when we sell this because we are too old to drive or whatever, we become liable for issues....... If you are doing the work yourself and can't claim any materials back when you sell, hide the receipts and said all the work was done before you bought it or once 10 years of ownership is up, say you did it all when you first arrived, when in Rome... I am sure someone would sell you an insurance policy but as you are doing majority of the work yourself how useful would that be ? |
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Post by Le-Dolly on May 5, 2023 14:11:14 GMT 1
Hmmm I didn't know that, can you take out any insurance for that? Last thing we want is when we sell this because we are too old to drive or whatever, we become liable for issues....... I am sure someone would sell you an insurance policy but as you are doing majority of the work yourself how useful would that be ? Absolutely the correct answer. |
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Post by leclairon on May 6, 2023 7:03:21 GMT 1
It seems unreasonable that you might be held liable for what may be just normal wear and tear.
I can understand if serious defects were discovered which had been deliberately concealed - but 'window seals' as one poster mentioned seems crazy.
I thought I read a while back that you could put a clause into the compromis which said it is sold "as is" with no guarantee but maybe that doesn't hold up?
Surely the buyer has to take some responsibility for having done checks or surveys himself?
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Post by annabellespapa on May 6, 2023 9:15:59 GMT 1
It seems unreasonable that you might be held liable for what may be just normal wear and tear.
I can understand if serious defects were discovered which had been deliberately concealed - but 'window seals' as one poster mentioned seems crazy.
I thought I read a while back that you could put a clause into the compromis which said it is sold "as is" with no guarantee but maybe that doesn't hold up?
Surely the buyer has to take some responsibility for having done checks or surveys himself?
The house sale I previously mentioned was "sold as seen" as it was during lockdown and we could not get to France to empty the remnants from the house, the Notaire actually included it into the Acte de Vente and she insisted we were there for the final signing, so we had to wait until restrictions were lifted but interestingly the purchasers weren't there. They still however did produce a list of things they wanted rectified after the sale, the Velux window seals was just one of them. |
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Post by Aardvark on May 6, 2023 9:17:09 GMT 1
You are describing a fair and common sense scenario but we have read about a few French as well as English trying to pull a fast one with this 10-year business.
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Post by mysty on May 6, 2023 12:39:36 GMT 1
You are describing a fair and common sense scenario but we have read about a few French as well as English trying to pull a fast one with this 10-year business. Have a look at strictly legal on FB, it's happens a lot. |
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Post by mysty on May 6, 2023 12:41:21 GMT 1
I wonder what would happen if you fitted 50 year old windows would they be covered ?
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