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Post by omegal on May 21, 2023 15:00:39 GMT 1
I hear what you say omegal. But if what your friend is paying is correct it would be much better for him to bite the bullet and replace the vehicles. It's the carrot and the stick in reverse. Well he is over 60 now and doing the homework would probably mean ditching one van, or advertise heavier in a non ULEZ area but he is quite cheesed off that just driving home very soon it will cost him a charge. I think I will leave it to him and hope for the best for him, many, many people are saying that the scrappage is a joke for them as sadly they simply do not have the money to be able to scrap their car.
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Post by Aardvark on May 21, 2023 16:29:42 GMT 1
I'm trying to get my head around the assumption that someone with a 6 year old van will be thinking about replacing it soon anyway. I got over 20 years out of my last Transit and only moved it on because of a potentially expensive injection pump failure that I couldn't afford to replace. Both our current vehicles are 2001 and I can't imagine why I would consider throwing thousands of euros at replacing them if they were still fixable. If people at the top of government had to live with the resources of people nearer the bottom of the food chain they might think differently about their actions.
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Post by mangetout on May 21, 2023 17:16:54 GMT 1
My car is 2002, and under normal circumstances I would agree. But business is different. You need vehicles that are reliable, and I imagine the mileage on these vehicles is quite high. Plus you depreciate your vehicles for tax purposes. I know straight line depreciation doesn't exist now but nevertheless business still gets a tax deduction on their vehicles.
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Post by Aardvark on May 21, 2023 20:01:25 GMT 1
So if we were all business owners we could afford it? I was under the impression that the vast majority of vehicles were owned by private people. If the powers that be expect business owners to stump up the cash to replace at the drop of a hat that only covers a proportion of polluting cars. And of course that totally ignores the pollution created during the mining, processing, manufacture, and disposal of lithium which is already in short supply. I'm not trying to negate anything you say but just to clarify, electric cars are just kicking the can down the road, not providing an answer to the clean air problem for the long or even medium term. Its a big expensive technically challenging problem and most of the current brainwash is telling us that ordinary citizens are the problem. Either extensive subsidised or free public transport is made available or the horse is going to make a big comeback. Maybe not. Horses probably break wind too much and like cows, that will be considered a greenhouse gas.
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Post by omegal on May 21, 2023 21:33:42 GMT 1
My car is 2002, and under normal circumstances I would agree. But business is different. You need vehicles that are reliable, and I imagine the mileage on these vehicles is quite high. Plus you depreciate your vehicles for tax purposes. I know straight line depreciation doesn't exist now but nevertheless business still gets a tax deduction on their vehicles. Over thirty years ago we left the UK and back then my business partner and I had two vans, both Ford Escorts. We had them serviced regularly and by the time we left they were both well over ten years old. We were self employed and doing OK but no way were we on the fringe of selling them. In the similar words of Trigger, look after your vans and .....................
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Post by mangetout on May 22, 2023 6:16:02 GMT 1
So if we were all business owners we could afford it? I was under the impression that the vast majority of vehicles were owned by private people. If the powers that be expect business owners to stump up the cash to replace at the drop of a hat that only covers a proportion of polluting cars. And of course that totally ignores the pollution created during the mining, processing, manufacture, and disposal of lithium which is already in short supply. I'm not trying to negate anything you say but just to clarify, electric cars are just kicking the can down the road, not providing an answer to the clean air problem for the long or even medium term. Its a big expensive technically challenging problem and most of the current brainwash is telling us that ordinary citizens are the problem. Either extensive subsidised or free public transport is made available or the horse is going to make a big comeback. Maybe not. Horses probably break wind too much and like cows, that will be considered a greenhouse gas. I was referring specifically to business because they have to travel using appropriate vehicles for the job. Omegals pal has no option, he needs his tools. And I wasn't suggesting they have to use electric vehicles, although ultimately that, or at least hybrid, is the way its going, I read that most vehicles under 6 years old meet the emissions requirement to avoid being charged, that includes petrol and diesel. As for mining, I'm not aware that happens in Central London or any other major city. We're talking about air pollution in areas of high density.
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Post by mangetout on May 22, 2023 6:18:06 GMT 1
My car is 2002, and under normal circumstances I would agree. But business is different. You need vehicles that are reliable, and I imagine the mileage on these vehicles is quite high. Plus you depreciate your vehicles for tax purposes. I know straight line depreciation doesn't exist now but nevertheless business still gets a tax deduction on their vehicles. Over thirty years ago we left the UK and back then my business partner and I had two vans, both Ford Escorts. We had them serviced regularly and by the time we left they were both well over ten years old. We were self employed and doing OK but no way were we on the fringe of selling them. In the similar words of Trigger, look after your vans and ..................... Times change.
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Post by Aardvark on May 22, 2023 8:36:26 GMT 1
Sadly.
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Post by mangetout on May 22, 2023 9:15:26 GMT 1
No, the future is where it's at. I know comfort can be found in the past, and God knows I wish I could turn the clock back, but generally speaking going forward provides hope.
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Post by exile on May 22, 2023 10:05:06 GMT 1
The one immediate problem in this is a current lack of conforming vehicles with long lead times on new vehicles, in part due to a shortage of chips, and consequentially a shortage of second hand vehicles because people need to hold on to the old vehicle until a new one becomes available.
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Post by mangetout on May 22, 2023 10:11:15 GMT 1
True. Nothing is simple but that's life!
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Post by Nifty on May 22, 2023 10:26:50 GMT 1
Over thirty years ago we left the UK and back then my business partner and I had two vans, both Ford Escorts. We had them serviced regularly and by the time we left they were both well over ten years old. We were self employed and doing OK but no way were we on the fringe of selling them. In the similar words of Trigger, look after your vans and ..................... Times change. So do you.
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Post by ForumUser2 on May 22, 2023 13:43:11 GMT 1
The one immediate problem in this is a current lack of conforming vehicles with long lead times on new vehicles, in part due to a shortage of chips, and consequentially a shortage of second hand vehicles because people need to hold on to the old vehicle until a new one becomes available. And one spin-off is that here in the UK 2-year-old used vehicles are holding their value. Got mine in Oct 21 and am trading it in for a new car on 1 sep. I am getting £500 less than I paid for it. The new/nearly new market is just crazy right now.
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Post by Nifty on May 22, 2023 13:55:07 GMT 1
Meanwhile the purchasing power of £ Sterling is plummeting and life is apparently getting more stressful for those who are stuck with it.
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Post by Aardvark on May 22, 2023 15:36:22 GMT 1
And life can't be that bad for people who can afford to replace a two year old car.
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